We have Proto-punk, Punk, and a thread for Post-Punk and No Wave now. Yay!

Alright, discuss whatever you think is pertinent relating to the subject, obviously.

I absolutely love The Normal's "Warm Leatherette." I really wish that Daniel Miller would have made more than just two songs under this name.. Silicon Teens Music For Teens is a lot of fun an really good, but "Warm Leatherette" may go down as one of the most intriguing songs I've ever heard.


Also, I recently picked up New York Noise Vol. 1-3 and I think they're great compilations. I also have No New York, of course. Any other worthwhile compilations? One of the problems with a lot of Post-Punk and No Wave is that a lot of the best stuff are just singles and a lot of it can be hard to find, which is why compilations are practically made for the genre.

EDIT: I also have Death Disco: Songs From Under the Dancefloor 1978-1984 but that comp mainly has songs that I have the albums of, so I don't listen to it much.

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Originally posted by Jglass:
Any other worthwhile compilations? One of the problems with a lot of Post-Punk and No Wave is that a lot of the best stuff are just singles and a lot of it can be hard to find, which is why compilations are practically made for the genre.

A few years ago when it seemed every band the media cared about had a retro-post-punk sound Jonny Slut compiled this: Nag Nag Nag. I rememer buying it purely due to the inclusion of Delta 5's "Mind Your Own Business" which was long out of print. Of course, now you can just bypass this and buy the Delta 5 compilation, Singles & Sessions: 1979-1981 that came out on Kill Rock Stars last year.

Rhino did a magnificent job in 1999 in documenting the post-punks with Postpunk Chronicles: Left of the Dial; Postpunk Chronicles: Scared to Dance; and Postpunk Chronicles: Going Underground (isn't it weird how the retro-post-punk thing kinda exploded just after these came out?). These culminated in the brilliant Left of the Dial: Dispatches from the '80s Underground Box Set from 2004.

Maybe we could get some life in this thread?

I have to write an essay that compares-contrasts, classifies, or shows cause and effect of some situation..

I think I'm going try to break down post-punk into various classifications like "industrial," "dub/reggae," "punk" (like Wire's sorta avant-punk making them post-punk), "blues" (Nick Cave and Jon Spencer stuff?), then "no wave" (I include this in post-punk rather than seperating it), and I'm still not sure how I'd classify This Heat, and should I include Butthole Surfers and Minutemen?

So, help me out. Throw some suggestions and thoughts my way and maybe outline your own compare/contrast, cause/effect, and/or classification essay related to Post-Punk and/or No Wave.

I like to separate British Post-punk and American post-punk. Also, American Hardcore is really a post-punk entity-- then you have your west coast vs DC vs NY hardcore thing. And what do you do about Pere Ubu and the whole Cleveland scene? Good stuff, I'll be looking forward to reading your essay (assuming you post it here!).

Well, its too easy to break it up into american v. british.. and it still doesn't seem to be a good break sonically.

There are a lot of ways to break down post-punk by sound but since most of the bands were so diverse most of them wind up in numerous categories, sooo... I've gotta figure out a way to make this work.

Got any other interesting ideas for one of those types of papers?

Another idea I came up with was comparing/contrasting Bowie's music of his Glam-Rock days to Berlin-era Bowie. But that belongs in the Bowie thread.

My professor is cool; he has excellent musical knowledge (which sometimes blows me away.. he brought up some Japanese band who only did songs about food and who moved to... Italy (?) to continue making music, I think.. and expected me to know who they were).

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Got any other interesting ideas for one of those types of papers?

I don't have any other suggestions, although if you haven't already picked it up, you might want to read Rip it UP and Start Again: Post Punk 1978-1984 by Simon Reynolds.

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he brought up some Japanese band who only did songs about food and who moved to... Italy (?) to continue making music, I think.. and expected me to know who they were).

Shonen Knife?

I've already read Rip It Up, it's excellent.

And I didn't think it was Shonen Knife because I know who they are (but I've never heard them) but it looks like you might be right.

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Originally posted by Jglass:
Got any other interesting ideas for one of those types of papers?

Maybe you could focus on politics or economics (compare the two?) as an undercurrent of much of the post-punk aesthetic?

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Originally posted by Merciless Jack the Rippah!:

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Originally posted by Jglass:
Got any other interesting ideas for one of those types of papers?

Maybe you could focus on politics or economics (compare the two?) as an undercurrent of much of the post-punk aesthetic?

I was thinking that I could discuss world war II 's affect on the Brit post-punkers, or industrial wastelands effects in the scene, or even the poverty in the new york art scene they were involved in.. I don't know. I have a month before it's due, I believe so I'm gonna put a lot into it. I wanna make this paper interesting and thought-provoking because my prof wrote in the comments of my last paper that I "have plenty of talent but [I] might not be putting enough of [my] time into the class."

Where the hell have I been? I had no idea this was even here until now. I'll definitely be posting here sometime soon.

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Originally posted by Ghoulish Glass wants to be Count Jackula:
.. he brought up some Japanese band who only did songs about food and who moved to... Italy (?) to continue making music, I think.. and expected me to know who they were).

Cibo Matto! I haven't thought about them in years. They were definitely out there.

Now I must find them!

Thank you.

Cibo Matto was more of a trip-hop group. They're certainly not post-punk.

Nice! From post-punk to Cibo Matto via ...Italy?

Glassman, make sure you listen to Viva! La Woman first. Some of their later stuff isn't so hot.

i've said it once, and I'll say it again. check out Swell Maps, they defanitely fall into early british post-punk. I know that Sonic Youth (particularly Thurston Moore) lists these guys as having a big influence on their sound. Start off with Jane in Occupied Europe.

Question: Does Here Come to Warm Jets have some post-punk qualities or is it strictly glam-rock?

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Originally posted by GG hamburgler Allin:
i've said it once, and I'll say it again. check out Swell Maps, they defanitely fall into early british post-punk. I know that Sonic Youth (particularly Thurston Moore) lists these guys as having a big influence on their sound. Start off with Jane in Occupied Europe.

Swell Maps are great, once you've digested both their records move on to Nikki Sudden's post-Swell Maps work with the Jacobites.

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Question: Does Here Come to Warm Jets have some post-punk qualities or is it strictly glam-rock?

You know, I've always lumped Eno's early work in with the proto-punks-- Warm Jets came out in 1974-- but I've always thought that those early records had more in common with the music that came after Punk's heyday. In particular, the New Romantics and the New Wave bands.

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Originally posted by nmeiborg vs. Army Of Darkness:
The Clean - Anthology

Part of the "Dunedin Sound" that emerged in New Zealand in the early eighties, which mixed jangle pop with a more punk/post-punk influence (among other things). There are some other artists I've been meaning to pick up albums by, like the Bats, the Chills, and pretty much anything else off Flying Nun Records. Anyone have any recommendations?

Personally, I think the Clean and all of Flying Nun have much more in common with Post-Punk then Power Pop, so I'll take this up over here.

First, if you want to know more about Flying Nun check out this link: Flying Nun Heavenly Pop Hits Documentary. I think there are eight episodes and they are all fairly short yet informative.

My personal faves (other than the Clean) are the Tall Dwarfs/Chris Knox. Check out any of their stuff, but especially Weeville and Fork Songs.

I also love the Bats. Again, I haven't heard a Bats record I didn't like, but if I had to steer you toward one, I'd say go with Silverbeet.

The Chills are also great. The one to get is Brave Worlds, but it is out of print and could cost you a pretty penny. Submarine Bells or Soft Bomb are both excellent, and are usually easily found on the cheap. Stay away from the album Sunburnt which is credited to Martin Phillips and the Chills.

Hope that helps!

Dude, MJ - are there any acts that you actually haven't heard? I literally have never even heard the names of these bands, and you're going through and recommending albums from their entire discography. Frankly I'm impressed, and a little scared

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Originally posted by less_succexecutioner:
Dude, MJ - are there any acts that you actually haven't heard? I literally have never even heard the names of these bands, and you're going through and recommending albums from their entire discography. Frankly I'm impressed, and a little scared

Yes of course there are bands I haven't heard, but I did work in a record store for seven years. Prior to that, I was already a music nut for about 20 years. You'll notice some serious holes in my musical knowledge by checking out the threads in this forum that I don't post in

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Originally posted by Merciless Jack the Rippah!:
Personally, I think the Clean and all of Flying Nun have much more in common with Post-Punk then Power Pop, so I'll take this up over here.

First, if you want to know more about Flying Nun check out this link: Flying Nun Heavenly Pop Hits Documentary. I think there are eight episodes and they are all fairly short yet informative.

My personal faves (other than the Clean) are the Tall Dwarfs/Chris Knox. Check out any of their stuff, but especially Weeville and Fork Songs.

I also love the Bats. Again, I haven't heard a Bats record I didn't like, but if I had to steer you toward one, I'd say go with Silverbeet.

The Chills are also great. The one to get is Brave Worlds, but it is out of print and could cost you a pretty penny. Submarine Bells or Soft Bomb are both excellent, and are usually easily found on the cheap. Stay away from the album Sunburnt which is credited to Martin Phillips and the Chills.

Hope that helps!

Thanks for all the recs! I'll have to check out that doc on Flying Nun. I know a little about them but it nevers hurts to find out more. I've never heard the Tall Dwarfs, so I'll have to go get them a listen, but the Bats and the Chills I've been meaning to pick up their stuff for awhile now. Looks like I'll have to do some Ebay shopping once I have some extra income.