Originally posted by mark f: I have to mention The Innocents again, based on Henry James' The Turn of the Screw, turned into the most-beautiful, most-ambiguous, best-acted, -photographed and -directed horror film ever made. You may scoff, but I dare you to watch it in the dark without freaking.
I remember watching this movie on TV, all alone, at about 10 years old, and it creeped me out something awful. When the little children are laughing as the governess is walking down the dark hallway, it was truly disturbing.
In the post special fx/CGI era, do you think it still holds the power to scare? I haven't seen it in so long.
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The ramifications of what's going on in the film are far more disturbing than any special effects or gore could ever be. Deep psychological horror, no matter which way you interpret it. Besides, it's a flat-out work of art on every level.
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Posts: 12918 | Location: Behind the Orange Curtain | Registered: 14 May 2004
Well, Jaws gets my vote as the best film ever made, but even so, I believe The Innocents IS the scariest film ever, so please don't blow it off. It will screw with you until you're outta this place!!
Oh wait WAIT!! Is this the movie where this woman is in this big house and she's watching after these two young kids and they keep acting really weird and meanwhile all this crazy stuff is happening in the house...?!
If so, that's funny, because my old boss MADE me watch it.......
Yeah, it's pretty creepy, but, seriously, the opening of Jaws just can't be topped.
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I'm not really arguing that point. However, if you've seen it, can you tell me what happened from both perspetives and which one you believe? It really should be watched on the big screen with an audience (which I was lucky enough to do at LACMA in the '70s), but the DVD is very nice if you haven't seen it since it came out in that format.
Remember, I saw Jaws 25 times at the theatre in 1975.
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Yeah, I just checked IMDB and that was definitely the movie (I could tell from the DVD cover ).
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Yeah, I remember the film being slightly ambiguous to what was really going on... I thought the kids and the maid (or was it a butler... can't really remember) set everything up to scare the governess and get her to leave...
Is that what you meant by which perspective I took??
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The two perspectives are that the two siblings are actually being possessed by the dead former governess and her dead lover, or the new governess is a religious-fanatic spinster who only imagines this is happening. Or parts of both. Either way, the new governess takes it upon herself to try to remedy the situation.
Needless to say, the idea that two spirits who practiced sadomasochistic sex while alive need the bodies of two pre-adolescent siblings to "get back together" is pretty disturbing. Whichever way you interpret it, and I believe the film presents one solid piece of evidence to provide the reality of the situation, the ending is even more shattering than everything which came before.
I recommend watching The Innocents in the dark with a good sound system and no interruptions. Besides having my favorite B&W photography of any film, it also has my favorite use of sound.
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Originally posted by mark f: Besides having my favorite B&W photography of any film, it also has my favorite use of sound.
Dag! You had me until the "black & white" part. I can't get into black & white movies. I don't know why exactly, they're just hard for me to watch. It took me three times before I could FINALLY sit through "Young Frankenstein" because of the lack of color. (I still didn't enjoy the movie, though. I shoulda watched "Spaceballs" that was funny & was in color!) I'm just glad "Sin City" was stylized black & white with splashes of color here & there. Otherwise I would have never seen it.
To answer the immediate question that usually comes after I tell someone this, no, I have never seen "Schindler's List" & it's only because of this "flaw".
Sidenote: I was only able to watch the black & white version of "Reefer Madness" because of how ridiculous this movie was. I spent my time laughing AT it then really watching it. Luckily, when I found it on DVD, it was colorized.
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That's too bad that you're shutting yourself off from some great films. I can't even imagine this film being half as scary or beautiful if it was in color.
This takes place at the end of the Victorian Era. The photography is beautiful B&W, but it probably displays the broadest "spectrum" of such photography I've seen. I swear I can tell you the colors of everything in the film. But that doesn't really matter. After the brief setup at the beginning of the film, it's non-stop weirdness, mystery, suspense and terror. If you "watched" this movie with your eyes closed, it'd still scare the hell out of you because the soundtrack and sound effects are so intense.
If anybody watches this, pay close attention to the beginning of the film, even before the credits and visuals come on, the atmosphere is set by a child's voice singing a haunting song. I'm shutting up now because I was almost about to analyze the film, scene-by-scene. I could spend several paragraphs on what happens before the film "starts". Besides, I'm building it up so much, that it's gonna be tough to agree with me. Maybe some reverse psychology here: don't watch The Innocents because it sucks!
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Okay, Mark, you've sold me. I'll see if I can't get my hands on a copy. It better be good or I'll climb through your computer screen, like Samara, & scare you to DEATH!
"I can't live the buttoned down life like all of you! I want it all: the terrifying lows, the dizzying highs, the creamy middles! Sure, I might offend a few of the blue-noses with my cocky stride and musky odor - oh, I'll never be the darling of the so-called 'City Fathers' who cluck their tongues, stroke their beards, and talk about what's to be done with this Monkey_Boy?!"
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The most best and most intense suspense/horror movie ever is "Silence of the Lambs"... Some other super intense/suspense films with a person or people as the monster(s): "Dead Calm" "Blue Velvet" "Wolf Creek" "The Hills Have Eyes" "fear.com" "Dead of Night" (British movie about people stranded on an island with a serial killer) "The Wicker Man" (1979 version) "Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning" "Intensity" (from a Stephen King novel" "Below" Other scary movies I like: "The Exorcist" "The Evil Dead" "Alien" & "Alien Resurrection" "The Thing" (with Kurt Russell)
Originally posted by mark f: That's too bad that you're shutting yourself off from some great films. I can't even imagine this film being half as scary or beautiful if it was in color.
This takes place at the end of the Victorian Era. The photography is beautiful B&W, but it probably displays the broadest "spectrum" of such photography I've seen. I swear I can tell you the colors of everything in the film. But that doesn't really matter. After the brief setup at the beginning of the film, it's non-stop weirdness, mystery, suspense and terror. If you "watched" this movie with your eyes closed, it'd still scare the hell out of you because the soundtrack and sound effects are so intense.
If anybody watches this, pay close attention to the beginning of the film, even before the credits and visuals come on, the atmosphere is set by a child's voice singing a haunting song. I'm shutting up now because I was almost about to analyze the film, scene-by-scene. I could spend several paragraphs on what happens before the film "starts". Besides, I'm building it up so much, that it's gonna be tough to agree with me. Maybe some reverse psychology here: don't watch The Innocents because it sucks!
Oh shit! I just found this movie in the "watch instantly" section on Netflix. I'll fire it up tonight.
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Okay, I just finished watching "The Innocents". It was a really good movie, creepy too, but not particularly scary. Doesn't really matter though, I thought it was well made and worth watching.
I especially like the ambiguity of whether the house was really haunted or if the Governess was just bat-shit crazy. You can make a strong case either way. I especially like the ambiguity of whether the house was really haunted or if the Governess was just bat-shit crazy. You can make a strong case either way.
The acting, cinematography, score and directing were all top notch.
Here's a link to that creepy song in the beginning of the film.
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