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Originally posted by ProfAmaretto:

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Based on the thousands of records I've heard, there's nothing controversial or original about the new KOL. It's the definition of formulaic.

So then, according to your definition of "formulaic," is every sort of music that's formulaic disagreeable? Or are there specific bands that are successful with their particular "formula?"

KOL didn't create or in any way push the limits of their "formula". They aren't The Ramones. KOL just saw an overcrowded marketplace (anywhere with Nickelback is overcrowded) and said "us too!" However, regardless of how formulaic their song structures are, Kings Of Leon are disagreeable because their lyrics are trite and worthless (worse than the Strokes) while they hold themselves up as something meaningful (more relevant than U2). If their lyrics actually said anything worthwhile at any point, their uninspired instrumentals would have been easier to overlook, but still very bland.
So what's your definition of "formulaic"? Is every sort of music that's formulaic agreeable?

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KOL didn't create or in any way push the limits of their "formula". They aren't The Ramones. KOL just saw an overcrowded marketplace (anywhere with Nickelback is overcrowded) and said "us too!" However, regardless of how formulaic their song structures are, Kings Of Leon are disagreeable because their lyrics are trite and worthless (worse than the Strokes) while they hold themselves up as something meaningful (more relevant than U2). If their lyrics actually said anything worthwhile at any point, their uninspired instrumentals would have been easier to overlook, but still very bland.
So what's your definition of "formulaic"? Is every sort of music that's formulaic agreeable?

Before I answer your question, it seems as though we're not talking about the same thing. In my last post, I didn't even address the Kings of Leon. I asked if every sort of music that's formulaic disagreeable. You brought it back to Kings of Leon's "trite" lyrics and "bland" musicianship. I'm not arguing that you feel that way, or whether you're right and I'm wrong. But I would like it if you specifically answered my question.

Also, I asked if there were any specific bands that were successful in a formulaic sense, in your opinion? The only answer I could see was The Ramones, in a roundabout sense, and I'm not even sure you meant to mention them in that way.

So before I answer your question, let me know if I need to clarify mine, because I'm not sure we're understanding each other.

your sex is on fireeeeeee song is amazing

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Originally posted by Filmore Mescalito Holmes:
Kings Of Leon are disagreeable because ... they hold themselves up as something meaningful (more relevant than U2).

Do you REALLY feel the Kings of Leon think they're more relevant than U2? Really? Do you really think they feel they're that meaningful?

They hardly take themselves too seriously... as FragileKidA pointed out way back in the thread.

Like you point out in your review, they make so called "cock-rock" music; they aren't trying to make some bold statement about humanity, so why exactly do you say they think they're more relevant than U2?

I'm sorry, but every time you attempt to make a point about how bad the album is or how bad they are as a band, you argument becomes significantly weaker (comparisons to Nickelback, Fall Out Boy, Paris Hilton and Ashlee Simpson... really?). I think your obvious loathing of the band is getting in the way of any sort of objective logic that might otherwise be present.

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Originally posted by His Dudeness:
Like you point out in your review, they make so called "cock-rock" music; they aren't trying to make some bold statement about humanity, so why exactly do you say they think they're more relevant than U2?

Did you hear "Crawl?" Obviously not.

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Originally posted by His Dudeness:
comparisons to Nickelback, Fall Out Boy, Paris Hilton and Ashlee Simpson... really?. I think your obvious loathing of the band is getting in the way of any sort of objective logic that might otherwise be present.

Yes, really. Mostly Nickelback insofar as how sonically stale and formulaic the new record is, but in general terms, they are every bit the stupid pop band Fall Out Boy is, only with U2 ambition. I think your obvious worship of this terribly average band is getting in the way of any sort of objective logic that might otherwise be present.

Filmore! I'm still eager to have a conversation... one that doesn't involve name-calling and can hopefully get to the point of the matter. My last comment was before the Fanofstars' random outburst.

I have to admit, I was a bit disappointed with the album, but it's not because of the change. Most fans I hear complain about how they "lost" the southern rock style. I like it when bands change every album or two. Look at Beck, every single album is completely different. I wasn't too crazy about the change and there are only a few songs that stand out to me, but compared to their other albums like Because of the Times and The Youth and Young Manhood, this one was kinda..."meh".

-IceBlink

This thread needs to come back, it was a fire-starter. Does Fillmore even post on here anymore?

I like Sexy time On Fire... is very nice.

Oh Borat, will you ever learn!

Nein!

Everyone who listens to "Sex On Fire" and takes it seriously is a virgin.

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Everyone who listens to "Sex On Fire" and takes it seriously is a virgin.

And yet the Followill brothers seem to have quite the female following... Perhaps the appropriate question is WTF?

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Originally posted by Filmore Mescalito Holmes:
Everyone who listens to "Sex On Fire" and takes it seriously is a virgin.

Oh snap!

In all seriousness, I’m not really a KOL fan, but I don’t mind “Sex on Fire”; it succeeds in being a pop rock song with a catchy chorus, and I don’t think it was intended to be read into any deeper than that, nor would I try to.

Wow!

This thread has been dead for a while and I don't hope to resurrect it, only just to state it has been profoundly entertaining, especially the period from late last year! Perhaps the greatest irony of it all was having someone called "his dudeness" getting so very "undude", boderline psyschotic in fact! The whole tirade against who had the better education and professional credentials in the context of music criticism was so misguided it was hilarious!

Actually, perhaps the greatest irony was having so much passion and drama expended on such a terribly banal piece of tuneful dad rock masquerading as rock for the kiddies.

I went to see KoL ( )in Louisville after Because of the Times was released. It was a small club, and there may have been 100-150 people there. Wasn't crowded at all. Met the drummer, seemed pretty nice.

Now KoL will be in Rupp Arena in October (i think), which holds 24,000. I doubt they will sell out...but still. How can one shitty album make that big of a difference in venue?

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Originally posted by mymindsBlank:
How can one shitty album make that big of a difference in venue?

More like one catchy single that a whole range of people want to sing along to..."ooooooh, my sex is on fiiiiiiierrr".

Personally I'd rather be waterboarded, but that's just me!

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Originally posted by mark f:
I can't believe "the Kings" are anywhere near "millionaires". I liked their first album, and my best bud likes all of 'em (unlike me), but I fail to accept that he's "bought and sold in the market place". Whaddya wanna do, hal, grease Fillmore?

Yes my friend.... Kings of Leon, are indeed, very very rich mofos:

From RIAA certification database:
WASHINGTON August 20th 2009 – Sony/RCA rockers Kings of Leon earned three premiere Gold and Platinum certifications this summer, according to the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA’s) June and July G&P reports. The Grammy award winning troupe took their first Platinum album award for Only By The Night (2008) and first digital single nods for “Sex On Fire” and “Use Somebody,” each certifying both Gold and Platinum.

Not my cup of tea... but deservedly "catchy".. congrats to them...

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TangyMcNasty
Slacker

You have an awesome id, my friend.

I got to see KOL live at Sasquatch this year. As much as it pains me to say, I must admit they are, at the bare minimum, competent musicians. They can play. Of course, "Sex On Fire" is still one of the dumbest songs ever written, but they can play it just as good [bad] live as it is on the record.