The Edge Overated? I guess hes overrated in the sense that there are better technically sound guitarists out there, but in terms of influence? He's probaly underrated in terms of influence an din terms of what he invented and created. Sure you strip down his guitar bare, take away all the effects and it pretty poor, but those feects he leans on are what make him original and influentail. I mean, his solos arn't greta, but overall he's a competant guitarist, just he reuses and recycles his stuff quite a lot, and rrarely ever strips down his guitaring.

I hate to say it, but Noel Gallagher is definetely overrated as a gutiarist. A great songwriter, know for stealing bit of everyone else's songs and making an anthem, yes. A great guitarist, deserving of his own signature model epiphone, no.

The Duncan black guy that slags off Noel gallagher's playing - how many hit songs have you written anyway?. If Noel is so crap then you write Live Forever, Slide Away or any of his classics. Yes Noels theory might seems a bit weak but have you ever thought that he has an innate, intuative ability hence the sheer number of songs he's wrote. Moreover about Neil Young fuck technique watch the Rust Never Sleeps dvd, he has a beautiful fucked-up emotional ability that goes beyond technique. Great players shall always put the song above the technique listen to Johnny Marr, Bernard Butler, John Squire (first roses album), Pete Towsend or even Steve Jones it should always be about the song and the emotion the guitar can give it. A good example of a great yet technical player would be John Frusciante yet even he got better when he reduced his style around Califonication, also did you know his favourite gutarist is Bernard Sumner hardly a technician. Yet again it's all about opinion I understand but you can bet in 30 years Neil Young shall be remembered will via or any of these technical guys?

adrian smith of iron maiden. i love maiden a lot and they are my second fav. band, but there really is nothing special about smith.

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Originally posted by Nediam:
mmmmm, u2's the edge is the most overrated of them all, cmon the guy couldnt play a decent guitar solo not even if his life depended on it. Kurt Cobain is also pretty overrated since he was, like heatseeker said, considered one of the top 10 greatest guitarists of ever being a mediocre guitar player in my opinion. But the most amazing part of this is that Cobain was
a rythim guitar player!!

The Edge never intended to be a virtuoso at shredding solos and being all over the fret board. But he is more than capable as proven during the live performances of "Bullet the Blue Sky" and "The Fly". U2's sound is something unique and very distinct. He creates unmatched effects and ethereal atmospheres with his guitars. I don't think The Edge is anyone to sniff at as a rock guitarist.

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Originally posted by Nediam:
mmmmm, u2's the edge is the most overrated of them all, cmon the guy couldnt play a decent guitar solo not even if his life depended on it. Kurt Cobain is also pretty overrated since he was, like heatseeker said, considered one of the top 10 greatest guitarists of ever being a mediocre guitar player in my opinion. But the most amazing part of this is that Cobain was
a rythim guitar player!!

The Edge never intended to be a virtuoso at shredding solos and being all over the fret board. But he is more than capable as proven during the live performances of "Bullet the Blue Sky" and "The Fly". U2's sound is something unique and very distinct. He creates unmatched effects and ethereal atmospheres with his guitars. I don't think The Edge is anyone to sniff at as a rock guitarist.

Word, futureman. Word. The Edge is the reason I began playing guitar. He's one of the first people that I ever heard do something really different with the guitar. There are very few people I'd rather hear play. Even if he couldn't play a solo, (which as you've proven with two good examples isn't true) it wouldn't matter.

kurt cobain

rolling stone said he was #12 on the 100 greatest guitarists,while EVH was # 70

You actually pay attention to those lists?

Personally, I would rather beat the crap out of a guitar than masturbate with it like all those technical wizard SOBs like satriani or steve vai. So I have more respect for cobain and other guys like him (joey santiago, isaac brock) who don't play all that fast but they make more interesting noises (imo).

If I were in the market to pick a guitar player, I would choose one who uses technique in the service of the song as mentioned before. So I would call those kinds of guys good guitar players. I suppose one could call the other kind virtuosi.

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OPB Crowdiggs: A great guitarist, deserving of his own signature model epiphone, no.

You know Epiphone only made that model 'cos they thought Noel's name on it would sell more, right?

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dude cobain is a deadbeat wannabee guitar player, there is no sense in having a band that are popular and you are making money and killin yourself.

Besides playing 3 sloppy chords does not a guitarist make, you need to have at least a little skill.


PS satriani is one of the greatest guitarists ever.

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Originally posted by GUITAR_FREAK_93:
dude cobain is a deadbeat wannabee guitar player, there is no sense in having a band that are popular and you are making money and killin yourself.

Besides playing 3 sloppy chords does not a guitarist make, you need to have at least a little skill.


PS satriani is one of the greatest guitarists ever.

First of all, I don't think Cobain ever really tried to pass himself off as a virtuoso guitarist. Most Nirvana tunes don't even have guitar solos. Comparing a guitar virtuoso like Joe Satriani to Kurt Cobain is like comparing apples to hot dogs; they're not even in the same category. So yeah, in the guitar skill competition, Satriani wins. However, Joe Satriani couldn't write a good song to save his life. Nevermind and In Utero are already classics. I don't see Surfing with the Alien popping up in too many people's record collections.

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Besides playing 3 sloppy chords does not a guitarist make

Are you Yoda?

That's exactly what I would like to debate. I'm saying the number of chords you know how to play is not as imnportant as how you play them in the grand scheme of things.

Obviously.

What's obvious? That he is Yoda?

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That's exactly what I would like to debate. I'm saying the number of chords you know how to play is not as imnportant as how you play them in the grand scheme of things.

Well, that would be cute, but NO. That stuff up there.

I admit that I was disappointed that Van Halen already got mentioned, simply because I'm on a vendetta against some idiot who thinks (correctly, unfortunately) that he's gonna get worshipped because of how fast he can tap his fingers... SO I'm going with Slash. His riffs are generic and his solos are flashy and inappropriate. I don't care how fast you can play, I care about what you can write with your musical talent.

Favorite guitarists:
Will Sergeant-Echo and the Bunnymen
Kevin Shields-My Bloody Valentine
David Byrne-Talking Heads
The Edge-U2
Daniel Kessler-Interpol
Jonny Greenwood-Radiohead
Nick McCabe-The Verve

I'd do a list of guitarist whom I hate, but that would be terribly long, and probably a waste of time.

Noel Gallagher is nothing amazing on guitar thats a given, but he has a talent that so many do not have - to put emotions into words that everyone can relate to. His music is classic and although it is simple chord progressions, he can reach you on a different level and thats what makes him legendary

Also, a guitarist that is underrated? Jeff Buckley, this guy didnt play music, he WAS the music. Just listen to Grace or some of his live editions like the sin-e legacy album, pure genius.

Neil Young is a fine guitar player. However he rarely shows it - I think he considers himself more a song writer. On the DVD, Red Rocks Live, he absolutely shows his ability on the guitar, and then, does some amazing work on the piano. Then back to the guitar for a 20 plus minute version of Cowgirl in the Sand - and that has not got many chords or lyrics, but that he nails it anyway.

However I never really got Eric Clapton. He was considered by many to be the best player, but I found him a little sterile.

John Frusciante

I think its important to set the record straight about Cobain; He had no pretentions about being a great technical guitarist even admitting that "i can hardly play the thing". What was important was his song writing and how he put chords together. He wrote simple yet exciting music and you can't do that with a 10 minute solo. He also said "i can't do what Satriani does but he probably couldn't do what i do either". Says it all really.
The Edge and Noel Gallagher are certainly overrated though. The Edge is limited and uses the same couple of sound effects over and over again. If he was in a less acclaimed band he would be a non entity. As for Gallagher, again he's limited and i don't even consider him an especially great song writer.