What's everyone's thoughts on Puddle Of Mudd's new album "Famous"?

Disgustingly awful. Sounds so redundant I get a certain gagging reflex when I listen to it. I'm not even kidding, I puked once.

"POM" has been ripping off Nirvana for years.

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Originally posted by smileyface:
Disgustingly awful. Sounds so redundant I get a certain gagging reflex when I listen to it. I'm not even kidding, I puked once.

Sorry to hear their music makes you so sick smiley .

If the only songs you have really listened to are “She Hates Me” and “Blurry”, I could understand why you might really detest their music, as I generally skip “She Hates Me” off their first album Come Clean. I really liked their first album, particularly “Drift & Die”, “Nobody Told Me”, “Basement” and “Never Change”. I never really got into their second album.

I think it’s fair to say Wesley’s voice has a lot of similarities to Kurt Cobain’s voice, but I don’t think Puddle of Mudd’s music is any more or less like Nirvana than any other post grunge band out there, however you can see there is some influence, which I don’t think is such a bad of thing, since almost all music is derivative in some way. I think to say their music is a direct rip off of Nirvana is a stretch, and insinuates that you may not have listened to more then 1 or 2 of their songs. If you stop comparing them to Nirvana, and throw one of their albums in your car, you might really enjoy some of their music.

As for their new album Famous, so far, I’m really liking “Moonshine”, “Psycho”, and “If I Could Love You”. For me, this album is touching more on what I liked about their first album.

I may be wrong, but I predict that either or both “Radiate” and “We Don’t Have to Look Back Now” will have much mainstream success, and if you include them with “It Was Faith” and “Thinking About You” as rock ballads, that’s more then they have ever put on 1 album, thus leading me to assume they’re probably trying to push harder for mainstream success with this album then ever before with their previous albums.

I'm not sure I can say a whole lot to change your opinion. I will, however, say that 95% of what is passed off as "Alternative" in the mainstream, is basically a third rate replication of any number of acts in the Seattle grunge scene. It's all basically instant gratification type music in which complexity is ignored in favor of lowest common denominator lyrics

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If the only songs you have really listened to are “She Hates Me” and “Blurry”, I could understand why you might really detest their music, as I generally skip “She Hates Me” off their first album Come Clean. I really liked their first album, particularly “Drift & Die”, “Nobody Told Me”, “Basement” and “Never Change”. I never really got into their second album. I'm certain I could hear every song in the Puddle of Mud(sp?) catalogue and still despise them. They just aren't original, interesting, or talented.

I think it’s fair to say Wesley’s voice has a lot of similarities to Kurt Cobain’s voice, but I don’t think Puddle of Mudd’s music is any more or less like Nirvana than any other post grunge band out there...That's a good point, but the entire genre is crap. It's pop music posing as grunge.


I may be wrong, but I predict that either or both “Radiate” and “We Don’t Have to Look Back Now” will have much mainstream success.Again, a great point. But mainstream success has no correlation to quality of the product. Los Del Rio was number one on the charts with "Macarena," for example. Just because a bunch of people with bad tastes like something, doesn't make it good

Let me be clear here and say that I'm not bashing you at all, I just don't feel there is any need for the existence of POM and am extremely displeased with the amount of success they have seen.

Now as a pre-rebuttle, I will also say that there is a very big difference between being influenced by another band, and simply duplicating their sound.

Here's what the critics have to say.

Why does this sound so much like "She Hates Me?"

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Originally posted by It's a Wonderful Mike!:
I'm not sure I can say a whole lot to change your opinion. I will, however, say that 95% of what is passed off as "Alternative" in the mainstream, is basically a third rate replication of any number of acts in the Seattle grunge scene. It's all basically instant gratification type music in which complexity is ignored in favor of lowest common denominator lyrics

There probably isn’t anything you could say , but either way I partially agree with you on your sentiments about the “Alternative” in the mainstream. I can understand how you could feel that allot of bands are a third rate replication of acts from the Seattle grunge scene, especially if you experienced that era personally. I agree that 95% of the alternative mainstream bands these days are not completely original, but I choose to see allot of them more as an evolution of the grunge scene with it’s own charm, as opposed to a third rate plagiarism, and I would disagree that they’re the lowest common denominator, however, I think that’s subject to opinion, and I respect your right to have one .

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Originally posted by It's a Wonderful Mike!:
I'm certain I could hear every song in the Puddle of Mud(sp?) catalogue and still despise them. They just aren't original, interesting, or talented.[/b]

Unfortunately I completely disagree here, I feel it’s unfair to judge a band without hearing their entire body of work, and it gives you little basis for you claims.

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Originally posted by It's a Wonderful Mike!:
mainstream success has no correlation to quality of the product. Los Del Rio was number one on the charts with "Macarena," for example. Just because a bunch of people with bad tastes like something, doesn't make it good. Let me be clear here and say that I'm not bashing you at all, I just don't feel there is any need for the existence of POM and am extremely displeased with the amount of success they have seen.

Cheers, I appreciate that you’re not trying to bash me with your point of view and I certainly do not intend any disrespect with mine. Again, I partially agree with you here, I wasn’t trying to make the point of their success justifying their music’s quality; I was merely making my own review and predictions of their new album. However, I don’t agree that technicality or even originality is a fundamental ingredient for good music, since it’s the individual listener who decides. Either way, I don’t think there is any black and white way to look at it, it’s definitely a very difficult subject. The only means of which to claim one piece of music is better then another is either by preference or technical skill, because there is no right or wrong formula for music, and each individual decides differently because of the way the music translates to them personally, thus music is a form of communication, and if something is highly successful in communicating with people, it’s likely the music has some merit, however, on the other hand, there are definitely artists that I can’t stand who are massively successful, i.e. Good Charlotte. One could argue that many people’s opinions are not individual or intelligent, but I think that is an Elitists point of view, and a weak argument against a songs success.

Overall, I believe allot of mainstream music is mainstream and successful because the music and the lyrics often convey a universal message that anyone can translate, so in most cases, I try not to undermined any musical artists integrity so long as they wrote the music and they are NOT self proclaimed geniuses. If it makes you feel any better here in Australia Puddle of Mudd aren’t really that successful, “She Hates Me” and “Blurry” had a bit of success, but they’re by no means widely known.

I respect any band who either:

A. Make music I like.
B. Earned their success.

These are my personal requirements for what I listen to, and sometimes I only need one of either to be satisfied.

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Originally posted by It's a Wonderful Mike!:
Now as a pre-rebuttle, I will also say that there is a very big difference between being influenced by another band, and simply duplicating their sound.

That is true, but as a musician, I would say that the majority of Puddle of Mudd’s music is not a direct duplication of anything in particular. As for that link, the opening melody is very similar, but it’s played in a different variation, and I don’t think the over all song composure and lyrics are similar enough to say it’s a direct rip off. Also, the chord progression or melody, in my opinion is fairly simple and stock, and could have easily been written by heaps of artists all around the world unknowingly that someone else has written something similar.

As for the Metacritic review, that is the review for their second Album, which I stated I didn't like very much, but either way I don't care what critics have to say all that much.

Fair enough. I disagree with a lot of your post, but respect your right to enjoy whatever you want to. I would be interested in seeing your year end list, however.

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Originally posted by Maybe Mike:
Here's what the critics have to say.

Heh, I thought the Rolling Stone quote read "Third-rate grunge retards," and I was going to say "BEST BLURB EVER." Damn.

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Originally posted by Dork:

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Originally posted by Maybe Mike:

Here's what the critics have to say.

Heh, I thought the Rolling Stone quote read "Third-rate grunge retards," and I was going to say "BEST BLURB EVER." Damn.

Dyslexic AND easily impressed, there’s clearly no doubting your opinion flows from a font of knowledge, Dork.

And Maybe Mike, if you think POM have been ripping off Nirvana, then its pretty clear that you haven't listened to either band much and/or you're not a muso. One singer sounding remotely like another singer doesn't mean the whole package is the same.
And that suicidal tendancies song is SHIT. WTF? don't tell me you like that and hate she hates me

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Originally posted by Davo:
Dyslexic AND easily impressed, there’s clearly no doubting your opinion flows from a font of knowledge, Dork.

And Maybe Mike, if you think POM have been ripping off Nirvana, then its pretty clear that you haven't listened to either band much and/or you're not a muso. One singer sounding remotely like another singer doesn't mean the whole package is the same.
And that suicidal tendancies song is SHIT. WTF? don't tell me you like that and hate she hates me

I don’t know what your original post was, before you edited it, but do not insult/attack other members when you post. I am not sure why you joined when all you have done is whine about other’s tastes and demean/insult other members. We don’t need a new troll so I would try to practice some tact, if I were you.

Davo, you just called someone a dyslexic and then spelled misspelled "fount."

I find this deeply ironic.

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Originally posted by The Twinkie That Wouldn't Die:
Davo, you just called someone a dyslexic and then spelled misspelled "fount."

I find this deeply ironic.

Actually he didn't... According to Dictionary.com, you can use the word “font” in that context.

1. a receptacle, usually of stone, as in a baptistery or church, containing the water used in baptism.
2. a receptacle for holy water; stoup.
3. a productive source: The book is a font of useful tips for travelers.
4. the reservoir for oil in a lamp.
5. Archaic. a fountain.

im not demeaning or insulting other people, im simply not masking my opinion with pseudo intellect and a poorly masked egotism. Nothing i said in my previous post is incorrect or waht I wouldn't say to someones face. Tact? i'm not a troll, i just don't bullshit to people and agree with the masses.
and The twinky that wouldn't die.....

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Originally posted by Davo:
im not demeaning or insulting other people, im simply not masking my opinion with pseudo intellect and a poorly masked egotism. Nothing i said in my previous post is incorrect or waht I wouldn't say to someones face. Tact? i'm not a troll, i just don't bullshit to people and agree with the masses.
and The twinky that wouldn't die.....

I think I remember you called Radiohead’s album “crap” and then asked “which idiots” like it. Then you insinuated that the only people that could possibly like that kind of music must be on “acid” (Note: the quotes are taken directly from what you typed.) Any and all of that is in fact, insulting and demeaning. That’s not even mentioning what you have said in this particular thread.

I will not say much more on this issue because I think Eric already pointed out this and I also second that you read it so that maybe you can understand where we are coming from. If you want to further discuss this, PM me, otherwise alter your supplementary posts.

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Originally posted by Davo:
Dyslexic AND easily impressed, there’s clearly no doubting your opinion flows from a font of knowledge, Dork.

OHHHH NOOOOES, look out! Someone brought the smackdown.

Considering how hard I laughed at your post, you can add "easily amused" to your brief and utterly irrelevant tirade.

It looks like I'm a day late and a dollar short, but I'll still bother to respond.

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Originally posted by Davo:


And Maybe Mike, if you think POM have been ripping off Nirvana, then its pretty clear that you haven't listened to either band much and/or you're not a muso. One singer sounding remotely like another singer doesn't mean the whole package is the same.

Look, the vocalist is simply copying Cobain's style, fine. But then when you add in unoriginal guitar riffs and disgustingly dumb pop lyrics, you get a package full of dung.
It's also clear tha Puddle of Mudd's frontman is making a sad attempt at being Cobain's clone.

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And that suicidal tendancies song is SHIT. WTF? don't tell me you like that and hate she hates me

http://www.myspace.com/suicidaltendencies

ST has been around over 25 years and shouldn't even be in the same sentence as. Puddle Of Crap.

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Mike, I may be wrong, but although you have never said this directly, it just kind of seems like no band can EVER play a Seattle rock sound, because by your standards, they’re ripping off said bands. It also seems like your only REAL beef with Puddle Of Mudd is their success. You could write off their lyrics and their riffs as being unoriginal “dung” and I could compare and say the same thing about artists you love from a whole different perspective if I was so inclined, and argue with you for all eternity.

The main objective of playing music in the first place is NOT “let’s do something original and technical”, it’s “let’s have some fun and play some music we love”. For me as a listener it’s the same, I don’t need something to be obscure and technically genius for me to appreciate it, not that I would either disregard something that is without fully digesting it, but by your standards, I’d never be able to listen to a good 12 bar blues band because they’re playing an ancient and over used method of rock with 0% originality. I don’t know you personally so I could be wrong, but it just seems like you’re disregarding the groove in some styles of music particularly anything that has a connection between pop rock and Seattle grunge.

It’s not as though anyone here is claiming Puddle Of Mudd are musical legends or geniuses, they’re just a heavy rock band, and if you’re into heavy rock, you could easily put one of their CD’s in your car and enjoy it, it’s certainly not “dung”. If Wesley Scantlin was sitting in interviews saying “our music is the most innovative rock of this decade”, I would say he is delusional, but I don’t think he or anyone in Puddle Of Mudd are making that claim.

My guess would be that Puddle Of Mudd probably love the Seattle rock feel, and enjoy making and playing that style of music.

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Originally posted by Maybe Mike:
It's also clear tha Puddle of Mudd's frontman is making a sad attempt at being Cobain's clone.

I’m afraid that you’re grasping at straws, Mike. It’s not as clear as you try to argue with those 2 pictures you posted. I don’t know if Wes makes any attempt to copy “Kurt’s style” at all, he just looks like him. I guess no rocker is permitted to have long blonde hair and look remotely like Kurt Cobain without getting shot down. For crying out loud, what do you want him to do, cut his hair short and color it black just so YOU won’t see a likeness? Have a look at the way Kurt and Wes dress, it’s easy to see the differences between their dress senses.

Kurt Cobain in a bunch of pics:

Here Kurt (as usual) is wearing several layers of clothing, and what appears to be a white T-Shirt over a black long sleeved shirt with a jacket over it with a pair of jeans.

Here Kurt is wearing a long sleeved collared shirt over a t-shirt with a what appears to be a woolen jacket with jeans.

Here Kurt appears to be wearing a t-shirt (likely over a long sleeve shirt) with a baggy black jacket and with jeans.

Here One of the most memorable of all Kurt’s outfits, he is wearing a green striped t-shirt over a white long sleeve shirt with jeans.

Here Kurt is wearing a baggy long sleeve collared shirt over a t-shirt.

Here Kurt is wearing a long sleeved black and white striped shirt with torn jeans with some very Kurt styled sunglasses.

Here Kurt is wearing what appears to be a red collared shirt over a t-shirt with a woolen jacket.

Here Kurt is wearing what looks like a polo top over a long sleeved shirt with jeans.

Wesley Scantlin in a bunch of pics:

Here Wes is wearing a black cap worn backwards with a black collared t-shirt and jeans.

Here Wes is wearing a white cap worn frontward’s with sunglasses, a green t-shirt and jeans.

Here Wes is wearing a white beanie (you’ll notice he often wears beanies), with sunglasses and a black jacket.

Here Wes is wearing a white t-shirt with a dark jacket and jeans.

Here Wes is wearing a black beanie with a black jacket and jeans.

Here Wes is wearing a black shirt with a black beanie.

Here Wes is wearing a black hat worn frontward’s with a black t-shirt and a blue jacket.

Here Wes is wearing a black beanie and grey shirt.

I don’t remember seeing Kurt EVER wearing a hat or a beanie. Kurt often wore layers because he had issues with his body weight. The only time of which you ever see Scantlin wearing layers is with a jacket because it’s probably freaking cold.

It’s well known that Kurt used all sorts of different Fender Guitars, particularly he was known for using Mustangs, Jaguars and the hybrid of which Kurt Cobain asked Fender to make for him personally the Jag-Stang.

Wesley Scantlin uses Gibsons, and I’ve only ever seen him using Les Paul’s.

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Originally posted by Miguel Sánchez:
My guess would be that Puddle Of Mudd probably love the Seattle rock feel, and enjoy making and playing that style of music.

My guess is they like making money.

*Readies riot shield*

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Originally posted by The Twinkie That
My guess is they like making money.

that goes without saying, no matter what style of music you play.