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Jedi |
I laughed when I saw your post Funkymonk... no offense. It's just that I was recently defending young people (like myself) against some of the geezers (as in old people, not the brit slang) when one of them said that a lot of the young people lack a large musical background. I specifically remembering him mentioning how their influence doesn't reach back past 1991 and their claims about THE BEST BANDS EVER!!! etc etc. Well, I don't know how old you are, but I just lost some faith in that post I made...
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Enthusiast |
Hmmm - this is a pretty forced and narrow take on the beatles. Pre 1966 I can understand your lack of enthusiasm - but after that you are simply missing out. More specifically: 'Helter Skelter' in the sixties context is just as subversive if not more so than 'teen spirit'. It really did investigate mass murder and scream into all that meant - as for teen spirit inspiring people to smash things up; Kurt was singing about the sort of unfocused and panicked ennui that makes getting the energy to smash things or even find things to smash a difficult thing! Oh well, whatever, nevermind. The seismic shift from perfect slices of skiffle rock/pop to the wonder that is tomorrow never knows, to the kaleidoscope that is Sgt Pepppers, to the sheer diversity of the White Album - this is a shift that we only get some understanding of when you consider the move from Radiohead's OK computer to kid A. In the context of music history it is likely that this is a minor shift compared to the above shift made by the beatles (Radiohead had krautrock to build their change on - the Beatles made it up as they went along!). Finally, can anyone honestly maintain that Radiohead were not influenced by the epic, multipart pop/soul symphonies of the Beatles 'Day in the Life' and 'happiness is a warm gun'? I am not saying they are my favourite band or even the 'best ever' - but not seeing their huge contribution to intelligent, ambitious music that still reaches us easily and makes us sing and jump about is woefully shortsighted. This has little to do with whether you like the beatles - that is of course a matter of personal tastes. Trust in God but remember to tie up your camel |
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bOarder753 i've read your post 5 times and i don't know what your on about but if i made you laugh it can't be bad.
TigerG I believe i did acknowledge the Beatles great influence and i never said that they didn't write "intelligent, ambitious" music. My rant was not against the Beatles, so to speak, but more against a certain section of Beatles zealots who seem to think the Beatles are in a league of their own, untouchable. They come out with hysterical, ridiculous statments such as "Everyone is influenced by them", "No other bands are worth listening to" etc.(I know i'm repeating myself but people seem to be taking my posts out of context!). These are the shortsighted people but it seems i am the only one who wants to take them to task. I just wanted to show that there are "gasp" other bands that are as good, if not better then them. Smells like teen Spirit was a tiny example. Forget lyrics for a sec, you cant tell me "Helter skelter" was more exciting musically? Kid A and Radiohead was an example to prove that there are other bands who can push musical boundries as much as the Beatles did and perhaps take things further. Still, as you yourself stated that you don't consider them to be the best ever you should understand these things. |
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Jedi |
Yes, Helter Skelter is way more musically exciting than any nirvana...
And yes, you could easily say that the beatles have influenced everyone... take for instance, the late-70's punk music. That movement was directly founded on not wanting to sound like that... meaning, not wanting to sound like the pop music of the previous 10 years. A band knowing what they don't want to sound like can be a much bigger influence than knowing what they do want to sound like. So, an easy argument can be made for almost any rock band (key: rock band) being influenced by the beatles. Although some can be more challenging than others... |
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Enthusiast |
Fair enough - you make good sense - I guess I was reacting to lines of yours like (paraphrase) they only write catchy pop songs and only influence pop etc. But you did say much else in your post. My main point was about context - people so often treat these songs as if they were released by a band now without any sense of the time and place etc in music history as well as their lasting power. And yes, I do think helter skelter is more musically thrilling, but in line with my context point, no, not as thrilling as teen spirit was in the context of arriving to clear away the dullness of eighties synth and cock rock etc. This is my very point re the beatles... But yes, outside of my thrill at their creativity and lasting power, there are many bands who give me MORE pleasure than the beatles, whether they were influenced by the beatles or not! Trust in God but remember to tie up your camel |
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Slacker First Class |
I am a big Beatles fan. Apart from their studio albums I have also collected several bootleg recordings. A lot of their solo output is good too, especially Mccartney and the Wings'.
Despite being a fan I rarely listen to their music these days...sometimes I play "Abbey Road". |
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
I'm resurrecting this, since we've had a few discussions on the importance of the Beatles in other threads lately.
Recently, I picked up Love, which I put off for awhile since the idea of the Beatles remixed didn't really appeal to me. Cirque Du Soleil also doesn't appeal to me. Anyway, I was wrong, and it's a terrific piece of music. I'm amazed at how relevant that music, most of which was recorded 40 years ago still sounds. I can't think of too many bands in 2007 that match the complexity, catchiness, and musicianship of those mid-to-late 60s Beatles tracks. ----- Stay gold, Ponyboy. Stay gold. |
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Jedi |
So it's remixed? Like a dance remix? This sounds awful.
_____________________________ Weep to Water the Trees. "This is my main concern with Obama; what if he has been groomed since childhood to blend in with the zionists and infidels? What if he has been led along by a radical islamic terrorist organization and positioned to become an influential politician? What if Obama gets into White House and turns out to be some crazy muslim terrorist? What do we do then? We'll be pretty screwed. It could happen." -- by some fucking nutjob |
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Guru |
It's kind of a moot point. Nobody wants to compare themselves to those kinds of people. Lennon's basically a deity now, and The Beatles very efficiently used up the last of the salient pop melodies left in the cosmos. It's depressing, especially for musicians. Move on.
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
Not like a dance remix, but some of the tracks are mashed-up with elements from other Beatles tracks. It's all Beatles, so it's not like Timbaland came in and threw a drum loop over "Hello Goodbye" or anything.
George Martin and his son did the whole project. From Wikipedia, here are some of the notable mix experiments:
----- Stay gold, Ponyboy. Stay gold. |
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
I've always heard the Beatles sound this good, at least in my head, but all my friends who loved them just as much as I did, 40 years ago, said this was an earth-shattering mix. I agree. It's got nothing to do with the "mash-ups"; it's all about how crystalline the sound is. Remaster the Beatles, NOW!!
"Naked Woman, Naked Man Where did you get that nice sun tan?" |
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
I thought that at least by this time they were going to have those re-mastered editions out by now. I heard talk last year that at least by the middle of this year we were going to be able to have re-mastered Beatles. I guess there are still some legalities going on so we will have to continue to wait. ----- I go to sleep and think you're next to me. |
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
I agree. The mash-ups are neat experiments, and they're not obnoxious, but the mix itself is so pristine. I also thought the production on the original albums was great, but hearing it cleaned up, I dare say it exceeds the quality of just about any piece of music being produced with today's technology. It's simply incredible the sound George Martin and the Beatles were able to create with the technology they had to work with. This message has been edited. Last edited by: EricG75, ----- Stay gold, Ponyboy. Stay gold. |
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
It was/is, simply, the Best of the Best.
"Naked Woman, Naked Man Where did you get that nice sun tan?" |
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Jedi |
Hey, I like the Beatles.
------ And you're lying if you sing along |
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Jedi |
I'm giving "Love" a listen now - it seems like an above-average mashup, with good production on all the songs and a few very clever transitions. If nothing else, it's a testament to how many good songs the Beatles wrote, because there has to be at least 40-50 songs mixed in here, and every time I hear something I recognize I get a great big smile.
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Jedi |
Oooh, the alternate version of "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" on here is fantastic. I'm sure it's been floating around somewhere for a while, but this is the first time I've heard it. Dang, that is neat.
------ And you're lying if you sing along |
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Jedi |
not bad for a skittle band.
"give me ambiguity or give me something else." |
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Participant |
I do not like The Beatles. They were a good band but I think they were a bit overrated.
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