That's a good start, pE; you almost make me wamt to contribute to the thread.

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Originally posted by philosopherEric:
I think all of the Pitchfork boot-licking that goes on (not only here, but in the music world in general) is getting just as old as my criticism of them.

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Although I think it's safe to say that you're getting older than the rest of us.

*insert rimshot here*

Regarding U2: "Beautiful Day" is a pretty good song, worthy of a place among the top 100 songs so far this millenium, but I don't really like the band in general. It has nothing (or at least very little) to do with being hip.

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Originally posted by Biggles:

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Originally posted by philosopherEric:
I think all of the Pitchfork boot-licking that goes on (not only here, but in the music world in general) is getting just as old as my criticism of them.

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Although I think it's safe to say that _you're_ getting older than the rest of us.

*insert rimshot here*

Regarding U2: "Beautiful Day" _is_ a pretty good song, worthy of a place among the top 100 songs so far this millenium, but I don't really like the band in general. It has nothing (or at least very little) to do with being hip.

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Touche, Biggles. I can come off as a crotchety old man, I guess. Some friends and I have been talking about starting up a 'zine or website (or both)...maybe I'll call my column "Get Off My Lawn!!!"

I've been a U2 fan forever. They were once considered cool (although they were never an underground secret, seeing that their first album was on Island), a long time ago, but I think they turned a corner when they became as well known for hobnobbing with politicians as they were for their music. Or maybe it was because of the excesses of some of their tours. I think they've put out consistently good records over their career...I thought they were a great choice for election in the R&R Hall of Fame in their first year of eligibility.

Neither "Theologians" nor "I'm The Man Who Loves You" were released as singles, and thus they would be ineligible for a list of best singles. If it were a best songs list, one could expect to see "Idioteque" in Pitchfork's top 25, for instance.

pE, I don't have any problem with you criticizing the choices that Pitchfork makes; I'm sick of hearing you (and, fair enough, a spate of other people on this board) claim that every decision that Pitchfork makes is the dictat of some sort of warped sense of "we rule cool" that they have. Every time Pitchfork makes a judgment call that could be perceived as falling in line with some sort of "indie" perception, you (and others) scoff, claiming that clearly they can't possibly like the music, they're just trying to be indie-cool. Then, when they make judgment calls that fall out of line with "indie" perception (Kylie Minogue, for instance), you (and others) scoff, claiming that clearly they can't possibly like the music, they're just trying to be pretentiously meta-cool by out-cooling the previous cool (that you were accusing them of not two forum posts earlier).

And then- and you didn't do this, pE, but some other people did on this forum and elsewhere- someone praises Stylus's list. It was the same freaking list!

See how silly it seems? It's not like Pitchfork is my sacred cow; in fact, I've disagreed with a lot of the major judgment calls they've made in their reviews so far this year (Trail of Dead, Magnolia Electric Co., Low, Mu, Hood). But it gets irksome after a while to see that, again and again, it gets badmouthed for "trying to be the coolest" to the point where the backlash becomes "cool" in and of itself. Which is dumb, because it's a music review website and it is not cool.

EDIT: Misspelled "possibly."

I wasn't going for singles...I was following the title of the thread which was best SONGS of 00-04.

I'm glad you noted that others are guilty of the same thing you initially accused only me of doing regarding Those Who Shall Not Be Named.

I'm not going to reply because I am following Mark's advice and going with the moritorium. At this point, I really don't care. I'll keep my criticisms of WHY I think the Unnamed does what they do to myself. If I disagree with them, I'll focus on my own reasons why I disagree. When you post a list of Best Albums or Singles 2000-2004, you open the door to criticism.

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I think everybody pays attention to the site no matter what they say.If they like it or not that is another story.

I personally like the website...but i treat just like any other webiste with reviews and features.Its just a tool...a tool to help u find music that you may or may not have found on your own.

And i think It succeeds in that regard.


Of course i am speaking of the pitchfork.

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I may be clueless here, but I wish they didn't limit themselves to just "singles" in the strict definition of the word. By this I mean that they only rank songs officially released as singles and ignore better album tracks. I think this was more evident in the best of 2004 list which included "Slow Hands" off of Antics. I hope most of us would agree its one of the weaker songs on the album. Perhaps "Evil" will be included in the best of 2005 singles list as it has now been officially released this year.

Here's my top 10 (songs not singles):

1. Radiohead – Idioteque
2. The White Stripes – Seven Nation Army
3. Outkast – B.O.B.
4. The Shins – Those to come
5. Basement Jaxx – Where’s Your Head at?
6. Wilco – Hell is Chrome
7. The Flaming Lips – Fight Test
8. The Strokes – Reptilia
9. U2 – In a Little While
10. The Avalanches – Since I Left You

I forgot this one as one of my singles of 2000-2004...and it was actually released as a single/ep:

Clem Snide: "Moment in the Sun"

Many know this as the theme song from the NBC TV show "Ed."

Clem Snide remind me of Camper Van Beethoven (minus the ethnic instrumentation) and Cracker.

"all over me" by benjamin gate (south africa). from "untitled" album (2001) adrienne is an awesome and beautiful singer.

I want to resurrect this thread because I was thinking of this very question earlier today (since it is Spring Break, and I have time to wallow in my thoughts).

I would have to say hands down:

"Honest With Me" Bob Dylan

My Top 20 in Alphabetical order:

1. 99 Problems - Jay-Z
2. Anything You Want - Spoon
3. Breakdown - Handsome Boy Modeling School
4. C'mon C'mon - The Von Bondies
5. Caring is Creepy - The Shins
6. Comfort Me - Sparklehorse
7. Fell in Love with a Girl - White Stripes
8. Fit But You Know It - The Streets
9. Float On - Modest Mouse
10. Get Ur Freak On - Missy Elliot
11. Glad Girls - Guided By Voices
12. I Luv the Valley Oh! - Xiu Xiu
13. Lover's Spit - Broken Social Scene
14. Maps - Yeah Yeah Yeahs
15. Mr. Brightside - The Killers
16. Neighborhood #1 (Tunnels) - Arcade Fire
17. Obstacle 1 - Interpol
18. Staring at the Sun - TV on the Radio
19. Tiny Cities Made of Ashes - Modest Mouse
20. Your Cover's Blown - Belle & Sebastian

No friggin' eels?!?! This IS a joke, but wake up, people.

No biggie because anybody who has the balls to post such a list doesn't need to read me.

You finally got to me Mark. I'm gonna buy the @#$%^&* Eels today. What CD should I try first?

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I'm gonna buy the @#$%^&* Eels today. What CD should I try first?

I like "Souljacker", but I think I'm in the minority on that being my favorite Eels album. A lot of people seem to like "Electro-Shock Blues" & "Daisies of the Galaxy".

Well, my fave eels are now blinking lights and other revelations and with strings: live at town hall, but they might be too big (long) for a first listen.

My daughter has become obsessed with both Andrew Bird and eels, and she spends lots of time at both websites. This is the eels website. Maybe something there will pique your interest.

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You finally got to me Mark. I'm gonna buy the @#$%^&* Eels today. What CD should I try first?

Hey, Give this thread a read if you havent already... there's quite a lot of rant about pitchfork in there but also some useful opinions. I've got Beautiful Freak & Electro shock blues and love them both, I'm guessing either would make a decent starting point

edit: forgot to out link on... http://forums.metacritic.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/486108/m/7460052492/p/1

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2. Anything You Want - Spoon

I just got "Girls Can Tell," and you are right Eric, this really is an excellent song. I agree, one of the best of the last five years.

Here's My List (ONE song per artist limit, no remixes):


1. "Tessio" (version from Vocalcity) ~ Luomo
2. "Breaking Away" ~ Ratatat
3. "Heartbeats" ~ The Knife
4. "Endless Summer" ~ Fennesz
5. "Huddle Formation" (UK Release Version) ~ The Go! Team
6. "The Transfiguration" ~ Sufjan Stevens
7. "The F-Word" ~ Cannibal Ox
8. "Visiting Friends" ~ Animal Collective
9. "Stay Don't Go" ~ Spoon
10. "Aerodynamic" ~ Daft Punk
11. "Benton Harbor Blues" ~ The Fiery Furnaces
12. "The Dream of Evan and Chan" ~ Dntel
13. "The Glow, Pt. 2" ~ The Microphones
14. "Smile Around the Face" ~ Four Tet
15. "Idioteque" ~ Radiohead
16. "Mass Romantic" ~ The New Pornographers
17. "Muzzle of Bees" ~ Wilco
18. "Galang" ~ M.I.A.
19. "Pompeii Am Gotterdammerung" ~ The Flaming Lips
20. "Cause = Time" ~ Broken Social Scene
21. "Soapbox" ~ Cyne
22. "Rhinestone Cowboy" ~ Madvillain
23. "Glósóli" ~ Sigur Rós
24. "Since I Left You" ~ The Avalanches
25. "Breakaway" ~ Basement Jaxx

Hon. Mention: "Bellona" ~ Junior Boys


(also, this is obviously not just 2000-2004... perhaps this thread should be started somewhere else...)


Cheers!

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I'm going to go ahead and do '00 - '06, no order in particular.

"The Greatest" - Cat Power
"Innoculate the Innocuous" - The Unicorns
"Rough Gem" - Islands
"Don't Call Me Whitney, Bobby" - Islands
"To Be Alone With You" - Sufjan Stevens
"Henney Buggy Band" - Sufjan Stevens
"The Mistress Witch of McClure" - Sufjan Stevens
"Sleep" - GY!BE
"Jesse" - Scott Walker
"I Felt Your Shape" - The Microphones
"The Glow, Pt. 2" - The Microphones
"Neighborhood #2" - Arcade Fire
"Jesus, Etc." - Wilco
"Whatever Happened To Soy Bomb" - Eels