There's a new Pitchfork list here:

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/top/2000-04/

I imagine this will be fertile discussion.

My initial thoughts include the fact that their year end number one from a few years back (the overrated Rapture album) only makes #38. And I'm surprised that revisionist history (and indie cool backlash) didn't knock the first Strokes album down from #16.

Also, the Annie album is #80. Again, I seriously think this is merely the result of someone's personal agenda. If there really weren't 20 records better than Annie's bubblegum pop from 2000-2004, I'd be surprised. But they've been pushing Annie for a whole year...why quit now?

My indie cool isn't so high...I only own 18 of the 100.

I was really disapointed by this list. Very boring, and pitchfork really seems to be getting stuck with this hip cause we say so thing. The Annie album seems like a great example, but I would say the Animal Collective is even more shameful. They get two of the best 100 albums of the last 4 years? Sung Tongs was probably their best and it wouldn't be anywhere near my 100 best. It just wasn't that good an album.

Popmatters and Stylus both put out lists not too long ago that I thought were much better.

Plus Pitchfork loses tons of points for not including Neko Case's Blacklisted or Lambchop's Is a Woman, both definately in my top 10 of the 2000s

I'm embarrassed to say that I have 29 on the list. The only time I ever look at Pitchfork is when you guys post a list. As I was counting down, I kept wondering where the Avalanches were, but they came in at #5. The best thing I can say about the list is their Number 1. At least, they haven't completely gone _______________.

"Congealing the pimp and the poet, Dre and Big Boi equated Hendrixian feedback impulse with low-end theorizing, and leveled the upward push of the playas game with the ground-level rhymes of boho dreamtime. "

I have no idea what that means, but it sounds cool.

Yeah I have 26 of them, although i don't agree with most of it. I do agree that "Kid A" is definately #1 though. I was kind o f surprised with a couple of the additions as well like the Yeah Yeah Yeahs.
My top 10 (i dont wan to bore you too much)
1. Radiohead - "Kid A"
2. Sigur Ros - "Agaetis Byrjun"
3. Modest Mouse - "The Moon and Antarctica"
4. Arcade Fire - "Funeral"
5. Interpol - "Turn On The Bright Lights"
6. Ted Leo + Pharmacists - "Tyranny OF Distance"
7. Wilco - "A Ghost Is Born"
8. M83 - "Dead Cities, Red Seas and Lost Ghosts"
9. The Streets - "A Grand Don't Come For Free"
10. The Shins - "Chutes Too Narrow"
and I do realse that all of these were included in pitchfork's list.

#1 was a bit obvious, although I doubt I could have chosen a better album.

Actually, that and Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots are the only two albums on that list I own, shamefully. I was still sort of glad to see the Avalanches on the list, especially that high up. Australia reprazent and all that.

Can anyone tell me who this Animal Collective are, and why they've been receiving such rave reviews? Just curious.

Edit: 100 posts. Yay.

I would put avalanches at my #1.

Solely based on the number of times i listen to it.It is almost appropriate for any mood u are in.Somewhat in the same way as 'deadringer' is.

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Can anyone tell me who this Animal Collective are, and why they've been receiving such rave reviews? Just curious.

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Animal Collective is one of these new-fangled "freak-folk" bands that Pitchfork has been hyping. Although I think the term "freak-folk" is intensely stupid, that's probably the best way to describe it. Sung Tongs is pretty good, but not worthy of top ten placement.

Yikes. 39.

Peppering a few mainstream pop albums amongst boring folk and generic rock isn't going to make me think any better of them. No one can tell me there aren't four better albums belonging on this list than those contributed by Animal Collective and Deerhoof (Deerhoof?!).

Props for adding Mclusky, though.

Sung Tongs sucks, but Here Comes The Indian deserves to be up there. Don't hate on Deerhoof.

I scanned the individual lists, and found that at least some people were cool enough to put down Adult., Giddy Motors, Sightings, Saturday Looks Good To Me, and Hood. Somebody put down Boom Bip & DoseOne - Circle as his #1, which is cool.

EDIT: I will never understand why people cut Stankonia (as well as most other commercial hip hop albums) so much slack. The singles are great. Everything else on there sucks.

Love Below > Stankonia > Speakerboxxx > Aquemini

EDIT 2, Electric Boogaloo:

Also, I will back 49 out of 100 of their picks.

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I just downloaded an Animal Collective song on Epitonic ("Slippi", for your information).

It's certainly interesting, to say the least. I'm not entirely sold on the Collective yet, but I can dig it for its uniqueness.

Is their second album different enough to justify its much higher placing on Pitchfork's list?

The Animal Collective have three albums; "Slippi" is from their second, Here Comes the Indian. Sung Tongs has an extremely different sound from the album that preceded it, finding the Collective in a much poppier atmosphere.

I'd consider Vykromond and "Sweetie" to be experts on Animal Collective, so I'd listen to them. Brother hal gave me "Sung Tongs", and I've mentioned here earlier that a little of it goes a long way. However, if you're a Nichiren Shoshu Buddhist, "Sung Tongs" might lodge in your Top Albums of all-time (the chanting and all.)

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Originally posted by Vykromond:
The Animal Collective have three albums; "Slippi" is from their second, _Here Comes the Indian_. _Sung Tongs_ has an extremely different sound from the album that preceded it, finding the Collective in a much poppier atmosphere.

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Props to All Music Guide for listing Here Comes The Indian and Sung Tongs as their only two albums.

Yeah, AMG sometimes badly misses with independent groups' catalogues. The Animal Collective preceded Here Comes the Indian with an album called Campfire Songs. Additionally, the two primary members of Animal Collective (whose monikers are Avery Tare and Panda Bear) released a record entitled Danse Manatee, and last year Panda Bear released a solo record entitled Young Prayer.

Animal Collective are brillianter than you (like you collective like you in general not one person "you" so don't worry!) and you and they both know it

= The real reason this list was made is because Pitchfork realized it's no longer cool to like Arcade Fire. =

I think if you weigh the facts you'll agree

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= The real reason this list was made is because Pitchfork realized it's no longer cool to like Arcade Fire. =

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Chuckle..chuckle...the bloom sure came off that rose fast...

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Originally posted by Vykromond:
Yeah, AMG sometimes badly misses with independent groups' catalogues. The Animal Collective preceded _Here Comes the Indian_ with an album called _Campfire Songs_. Additionally, the two primary members of Animal Collective (whose monikers are Avery Tare and Panda Bear) released a record entitled _Danse Manatee_, and last year Panda Bear released a solo record entitled _Young Prayer_.

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See AMG's entry for "Avey Tare and Panda Bear", which was in fact the name that Spirit They're Gone Spirit They've Vanished and Danse Manatee were released under, and "Campfire Songs" has its own artist page for some reason

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The real reason this list was made is because Pitchfork realized it's no longer cool to like Arcade Fire.

I think if you weigh the facts you'll agree

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No.

My thoughts:
Ryan Adams' Heartbreaker deserved to be in the top 100. I guess since everything he's released since has been mediocre to crap, its hurt his indie cred. However, when you look at Heartbreaker by itself, its an incredible album. I still haven't given up hope that he'll release a similarly great album one day.

I don't get all of the weak rap on the list either. Maybe its just a personal thing, but I wonder how many regular/daily Pitchfork readers really like or even own the Jay-Z, Eminem, or Missy Elliott albums.

My last comment is Modest Mouse. I've always thought they were hit or miss with most music fans I talk to. I think all of their albums including M&A have an equal mix of incredible songs and bad songs. I don't mind that its on the list, but it seems too high for me.