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Originally posted by Imprezu21:
http://www.stylusmagazine.com/feature.php?ID=1403


I love Stylus...they trump pitchfork anyday.

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It seemed like a list that was aimed squarely at the Pitchheart.

I owned 4 of the 40 worst records (including one of my top 10 records, American Music Club) and liked all 4. But the list was funny and some of the barbs were well-deserved.

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Uhm... both of you guys completely missed the point. Stylus's "worst 40" list was self-mocking, not at all aimed at Pitchfork. It's the same 40 albums as their top 40, in the same order, with the same graphics. All that's been replaced is the glowing descriptions- with snarky, one-line Dr. David Thorpeisms.

Ah.

That explains it.

They were still funny.

I guess I should have paid more attention...so many year-end lists, so little time to read them!!!!

I could have swore there was alreadya post for this...but coke machine glow posted there top 60 albums of the 00's.

I swear i remember making a list for here at one time...but i couldnt find it.If it is out there feel free to move it!


I really liked this list alot...and it reminded me of a few 'lost' albums that i either forgot or need to purchaseonce again!

Check it out!


Very diverselist too...I mean it contains 'deep puddle dynamics' in the hounorable mentions page.Cool...that is a classic indie rap album.That i have been singin praise too for a while now.Plus it has vertex in 2000.That is the obvious choice.But its cool to see it in there.

CMG's 2000s list missed some of my favourites (Up In Flames, Madvillainy, Yoshimi, Endless Summer, Marshall Mathers, for example) but I was still pleased with it.

I'm getting cooler, I guess, because I went from having only one or two of CMG's best records of 2000 and 2001 to having 3 of the 4 of the 2004 records.

My lists are always a little less experimental and a little more pop-oriented than the kinds of lists that Pitchfork and CMG put out. But I guess I'm getting more experimental...

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Originally posted by Imprezu21:
Very diverselist too...I mean it contains 'deep puddle dynamics' in the hounorable mentions page.Cool...that is a classic indie rap album.That i have been singin praise too for a while now.Plus it has vertex in 2000.That is the obvious choice.But its cool to see it in there.

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I find it hard to believe that they did not mention when talking about deep puddle dynamics...the track 'the scarecrow speaks'.This is probabbly one of the essential tracks to come out of anticon.Produced by ant.It is not an incredible beat...butit works really well with the rappers.I think it is probabbly my favorite verses from Dose One and Sole.I am not a huge fan of sole...but i like him alot better when he slows down a bit.Listen to the people in the backround talking though...it is prety funny some of the things they say.

I cnat believe i almost forgot about this record.thanks to cmg for reminding me of it.Its amazing what you just tend to forget about after a few years.

Under the Radar (a cool, new-ish mag) has its Best Albums of 2004 in the Winter 2005 Issue (Bright Eyes cover). I can't find them on tha magazine's site (www.undertheradarmag.com) that links it, so I'll post 'em here. Artists only, to save time:

1. Elliott Smith
2. Interpol
3. Rilo kiley
4. Bjork
5. Franz Ferdinand
6. Air
7. Iron and Wine
8. Wilco
9. Devendra Banhart (Rejoicing)
10. Ambulance Ltd.
11. Divine Comedy *an excellent record that I neglecting from my year end best-of
12. Modest Mouse
13. Brian Wilson
14. Loretta Lynn
15. Hope of the States
16. Blonde Redhead
17. cLOUDDEAD
18. Stereolab
19. The Bees (Free the Bees)
20. The Libertines
21. Blue States
22. Of Montreal
23. The Fiery Furnaces
24. TV on the Radio
25. A.C. Newman
26. The Velvet Teen
27. Morrissey
28. The Thrills
29. The Earlies
30. William Shatner

They also offer a Most Overrated Albums of 2004 list:

1. The Killers
2. Keane
3. Wilco
4. Bjork
5. Morrissey
6. The Secret Machines
7. Snow Patrol
8. The Beastie Boys
9. The Hives
10. U2

And a Best Debuts of 2004:

1. Hope of the States
2. Franz Ferdinand
3. Ambulance Ltd.
4. Midnight Movies
5. The Go! Team
6. Scissor Sisters
7. Asobi Sesku
8. The Arcade Fire
9. The Concretes
10. All Night Radio

I'll post their singles in the Singles of 2004 thread...

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http://www.popmatters.com/ has posted indivdual writers' year end lists. There's a bit more variety than their collected list, though that's hardly surprising.

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I just got around to looking at the PopMatters year end list, and it held some pleasant surprises, including The Honeydogs, The Minus 5, the Divine Comedy, the Delays, Von Bondies, Trash Can Sinatras, and William Shatner records.

On the downside: a fairly typical indie Top 10. Blah blah blah...TV on the Radio...blah blah blah... Arcade Fire....

Is it that all indie critics like the same thing because it's GOOD, or do they like it because they HAVE TO?

This one should be interesting.

I already like it.Any list containing a vybz kartel track is decent enough.Not enough pub on him.

Another list, this one from the editors at Amazon.com:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/10709691/ref=m_best_1_4/104-3174956-2066349

You can also see the customer's lists, as well as the most popular titles (Josh Groban, Norah Jones, Eric Clapton, yawn...) from Amazon.


Here's the editors Top 20:

1. Loretta Lynn
2. Modest Mouse
3. Wilco
4. Franz Ferdinand
5. Snow Patrol
6. Interpol
7. Brian Wilson
8. Drive-By Truckers
9. Kanye West
10. Iron and Wine
11. Tom Waits
12. Nick Cave
13. Bjork
14. Elliott Smith
15. Magnetic Fields
16. Air
17. Paul Westerberg
18. Madvillain
19. Ray LaMontagne
20. The Damnwells

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Originally posted by Buck "Sweetie" McGuck:
An appropriate statement, for sure. But the most accurate and scathingly poignant satire of Wilco's music is something I found here:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v464/donkeyluft/wilco.jpg

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A small warning would've been nice.

Anyway, I don't see why people keep forgetting the only list that matters.

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Originally posted by Biggles:

Anyway, I don't see why people keep forgetting http://pitchforkmedia.com/index2004.shtml

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We've not forgotten the Pitchfork list, Biggles. There's a whole thread about it here:

http://forums.metacritic.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=354108&f=176108&m=2030082692

Like Pitchfork or hate it, it engenders more discussion 'round these parts than any other source.

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Originally posted by philosopherEric:

We've not forgotten the Pitchfork list, Biggles. There's a whole thread about it here:

http://forums.metacritic.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=354108&f=176108&m=2030082692

Like Pitchfork or hate it, it engenders more discussion 'round these parts than any other source.

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I see.

I'm actually not entirely sure how I feel about Pitchfork. Even though they are unabashedly elitist and all that, they're usually pretty spot-on.

I'll see if I can find any lists that people might not have read yet.

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Originally posted by Biggles:

I'm actually not entirely sure how I feel about Pitchfork. Even though they are unabashedly elitist and all that, they're usually pretty spot-on.

I'll see if I can find any lists that people might not have read yet.

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I'd like to see some Aussie lists, if only for comparisons.

I think a lot of people sit on the fence with Pitchfork. I think they strive to be the eriudite source for music news and reviews...thesauruses at ready when writing a Pitchfork review. They want to be the New York Times of indie music. Sadly, rock music criticism is, and will always be, the lowest rung on the criticism totem pole, even below television. Rock critics, particularly Pitchfork's critics, are always going to be the red-headed stepchildren of criticism, and they'll do what they can to prove they belong.

Personally, I don't usually read the reviews very closely. I find many (most) of their reviewers to be dull and long-winded. Their scoring system is arbitrary, at best. But they provide great news and interviews and their reviews often prompt me to search out OTHER reviews of records I wouldn't have known or cared about were it not for Pitchfork.

I spent ages trying to find an online version of Rolling Stone Australia's Best of 2004 list, but to no avail.

It includes quite a few local acts who have yet to break through internationally, such as Eskimo Joe, the John Butler Trio, Missy Higgins and so on. Of course, Australian artists do get preferential treatment, and a lot of them aren't even all that good.

Also, with all due repsect to readers (but not staff), Stylus Magazine would have to be the worst publication I've ever laid eyes on.

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Originally posted by Biggles:

Also, with all due repsect to readers (but not staff), Stylus Magazine would have to be the worst publication I've ever laid eyes on.

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Why is that.Elaborate?Give some reasons why u make a statement like that?

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Originally posted by Imprezu21:

Why is that.Elaborate?Give some reasons why u make a statement like that?

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Because they always have their tongues so firmly in cheek that even they don't seem to know whether or not they're serious.

Taking their own Best of 2004 list and inverting does seem a clever idea in theory, but then you notice that crap like Courtney Love and Girls Aloud make the list (both lists, obviously), so it becomes impossible to tell which is the "real list".

The occassional gimmick doesn't hurt, but they're just one big gimmick. A real review without their trademark oh-so-clever irony wouldn't hurt.

Anyways...i do not agree.I personally like the reviews from stylus.They are different.


Jus tin case u didnt notice.The lists are exactly the same.There is a segment calle 'pop playground'.I guess they thought it would be funny to make fun of their own likings?

Good lists.

Here is some good lists.That include lists from artists, labels and radio stations.Alot better than alot of the lists that i have seen so far.

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Originally posted by Imprezu21:

Jus tin case u didnt notice.The lists are exactly the same.

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I noticed that much. I actually made reference to that several times in my last post.

For the sake of not getting off on the wrong foot here, I'll admit that my previous statements were quite premature and perhaps rather inaccurate.

Well, to actually be of some use here, I'll see what I can dig up in the way of lists.

Another set of lists is here:

http://www.notlame.com/toptenlist.htm

It's hosted by Not Lame, a power pop specialty label out of Fort Collins, Colorado. My list is on there, as are lists from Not Lame owner Bruce Brodeen and power pop critic David Bash, along with other Not Lamers. Power pop heavy, but some nice stuff on there...