One thing I don't like about WoW is that the experience "changes" when you reach end-game raiding levels. Being a member of an intense raiding guild in my server, I can honestly say that the game isn't really about having relaxed fun anymore at this point but rather all about getting ahead in terms of progression --- which totally comes at the expense of those people who have less time to play and little gold to cover raiding costs (huge armor repair bills, pots, etc.). A lot of people get burnt out and end up quitting the guild or even transferring to another server. I have not played GW so I'm wondering if GW creates the same kind of end game pressure on players.

I find that having an alt helps take you away from all that pressure and being forced into one style of play for extended periods of time (my guild spends several hours a night 4 to 5 times a week on an end game raid). One other advantage to levelling an alt is that if you choose two other professions not already learned by your main, you can use those to further support your main toon in terms of gold and items.

When you haven't played Guild Wars and only played World of Warcraft, you ought to taste them both before you truly can give a solid opinion Blue Recluse, not a biased one. It's like tasting a Bordeaux without a Chantilly and make a comment based on your limited knowledge to fathom your own ignorance.
You could go on and point out the strengths about Wow all day since you played and enjoyed Wow, but it isn't fair to pass judgement onto another game you have only "heard" about.

Since I have, I will only say that it's just a matter of taste. Both games have strengths and weaknesses. Both have the ability to drain life away from you as much as your hard earned cash. Don't try to analyze things you cannot add up Blue Recluse, simply doing so, makes you look stupid. Furthermore, I happen to quit Wow even though I spent countless days leveling all my toons to 70 after Blood Elves Mages and Draenei Pallies were introduced, which by the way, blow. I also spent countless days and even tiresome nights playing Guild Wars as well when it came out up until a few months ago. I put both games to rest.
Final verdict, well, both are great games but only great to you if you've tried them already and figured out which one you like more. I personally go for GW because I simply got fed up playing the horde guys, which I must say, are the ugliest mugshots and enjoy GW characters simply because they look easy on the eyes. Happy gaming!

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Gimme a fucking break. I already said GW was superior in my previous posts. And please don't come in here Mr. Slacker First Class and jump on the "I wanna kick Blue Recluse's back" bandwagon with the rest of y'all before making sure that you've read *all* my previous posts, aiight? Number 1, it's tired. Number 2, it makes you look like a shameless biter.

I already said your amazing GW is on an effing pedestal. Now leave the hell out of WoW gamers and play your GW for the rest of eternity.

In case you are either lazy, neurotic, or blind enough to look for the aforementioned previous post I made, here it is. I quoted it for you.

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Originally posted by Blue Recluse:

The Battlegrounds might come through as a big mass of confusion I concede, but at least you can tell Blizzard is attempting to make some improvements with the new Arena system with ladder-based style of competition established for the Burning Crusade expansion.

I'm not sure what got you all flared up, but I don't think it's fair you're coming up with personal attacks. I wasn't personally attacking the previous poster, but I was rather making a point on how WoW as a game was attacked on the wrong premises (he was making claims that Guild Wars is a better game because of the selection of character classes, which I think is trivial, i.e., you attacked WoW as a rank amateur game because it had stupid Mages and inferior Pallys instead of superior Dervishes and Paragons. The issue is gameplay, and not whether it's a mage or a Blood Elf).

I really don't know why I wasn't attracted to Guild Wars, but maybe it's because I've always been into the distinct-traditional character classes and the lore involved with them inspired by the prototype DND RPG classes. When I looked at the cover of WoW for the first time at the store, I thought to myself, can I play a Mage? Can I play a Warrior? A Rogue? A Cleric/Pally? Those were the questions I was asking myself prior to purchase. When I looked at Guild Wars, I thought... what are the six core professions and what are they? Just by reading the words, "Elementalist", "Mesmer", I wasn't too sure what equivalences they had with traditional classes. I mean, of course, I can put two and two together and figure out what a Monk or a Ritualist does, but you know what I'm saying. I don't know, but go ahead and paint me unadventurous and unexplorative. I like my traditional lore, and WoW offers that to me quite nicely, combined with an adequate PvE gameplay and environment. Fine. They stink at PvP. Happy?


I just said that WoW stinks at PvP. Guild Wars has superior PvP, has an eternal selection of more omnipotent character classes and core professions that dwarf those of WoW's, has dauntingly much more beautiful and pristine graphics (while WoW has disgustingly unfuckingbelivably obscene graphics making the horribly expensive subscription fees extremely unjustified) and is an overall superior game by quite a hopelessly huge margin because it incorporates a sublime strategy-based gameplay instead of placing excess emphasis on twinking your characters out with completely supercilious and costly equipment thereby creating a pointless game where balanced competition is an unattainable impossiblity.



The fatal mistake Blizzard made in developing WoW is amalgamating PvP into a "should have been strictly PvE RPG". Screw Blizzard and its money making tactics. They don't give a shit about balanced competition.

Another thing... if you were competent enough to read the post above yours, you will clearly realize that I was pointing out something I (whoa...get ready for this) DID NOT like about WoW and was wondering whether GW gamers have experienced the same thing. But no, you clearly had a tendency to pick and choose which posts I made so that you can make an attack on my supposed "unobjective" and "biased" views. Before you start accusing other people of making uneducated opinion about Bordeaux and Chantilly make sure your own backyard is clear of kinks.

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Originally posted by Meestyk:

Don't try to analyze things you cannot add up Blue Recluse, simply doing so, makes you look stupid.

I hope you weren't trying to say anything about someone's Mathematical ability. Just because someone considered a difference of several dollars with regard to total expenses (including the subscription fee + retail price per installment) versus the total expenses of just paying the price per installment without any subscription fee as nil/negligible does not indicate mathematical INability. It only indicates that the person is not nitpicky about some such trivial matter. Oh wait. It makes him the odd sheep in a world of gamers who are nitpicky mathematical nerds.

I don't feel the need to buff myself and show off to the world that I have knowledge of sentential calculus by putting someone down because they were off by 20 dollars. *Shakes head*. I put mathematical analysis where it should be put, i.e., determining which gear gives better overall stats and figuring out the game's intricate algorithm so you can stay above par game wise (hopefully, you're aware that it doesn't just involve simple arithmetic of whole numbers). Sorry, I don't get off on typing random integers on the internet to make myself look like Einstein or the author of Principia Mathematica and then make some other soul feel inadequate. If that turns your crank, hey, FEEL good.

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Originally posted by Meestyk:

I personally go for GW because I simply got fed up playing the horde guys, which I must say, are the ugliest mugshots and enjoy GW characters simply because they look easy on the eyes.

At this point, don't expect me to take your posts or you seriously.

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I'll step down and play your game.


(All prices quoted are in Canadian dollars)

World of Warcraft released November 23, 2004 - $19.99
The Burning Crusade released January 16, 2007 - $29.99
Subscription Fee - $15.00/month

A WoW gamer who has been playing it since release would've spent a total of: 19.99 + 29.99 + (15.00 x 36 months, December 2004 to December 2007) = $589.98
Total length of gameplay = 36 months (Decemmber 2004 to December 2007)
World of Warcraft average cost per month = $589.98/36 months = $16.39

Guild Wars Prophecies (Guild Wars) released April 2005 - $29.99
Guild Wars Factions released April 2006 - $39.99
Guild Wars Nightfall released October 2006 - $49.99
Guild Wars Eye of The North - $29.99
A GW gamer who has been playing it since release would've spent a total of: $29.99 + $39.99 + $49.99 + $29.99 = $149.96
Total length of gameplay = 8 + 12 + 12 (from May 2005 to December 2007) = 32 months
Guild Wars average cost per month = $149.96/32 months = $4.69

WoW costs $11.70/month ($16.39 - $4.69) more than Guild Wars to play. Cry me a whole river. This is what you have been whining about the whole time. I was off by $11.70 and have been called every single named adjective in the dictionary. If I quit WoW and end up having more free time, $11.70 PER MONTH will not begin to fund all my other vices and activities which include: going out with friends to the movies, a monthly gym membership, the occasional bouts with booze due to weekend trips to the bars, and a million others.

So this is what you guys like to discuss about? Tedious. Boring. Subterranean. If I wanted to be tedious, I'd rather argue about whether Spirit gear returns more mana over time than Mp5 gear for the healing class. Or whether a paladin is more mana efficient at single target heals than a priest. Or whether attack power bonuses yield more DPS than straight up raising your strength and agility points. Gimme those discussions any day and rid me of these mundane I-ended-up-spending-11-dollars-more-per-month-over-this-stupid-game crap.

Don't get me wrong. I admit I have been curious about and have wanted to start playing GW, but the more I read posts from GW players and the staggeringly nitpicky nerds who are restlessly arrogant about their "apparent" numerical aptitude, I have but been discouraged. The only aptitude I can see so far is the quick skill on name calling.

$11.70. Cry me an ocean.

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Ahem... Clearly "Cry me a river" must be right
above this post.

If you took Calculus, a margin of error wouldn't have been that enormous. At this point, I truly question who taught you Calculus.

I recall taking preschool arithmetic classes and, still, I came up with savings when I played Guild Wars...hmmm I feel so wise about...now.

Guild Wars 2 coming soon! Viva Evolution!
So to answer to this post, save your money for GW2. Wow just blows and turns ppl into a bunch of blue recluses.

-A wise person once said "Trying to be right all the time can be hazardous to your health"

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There was not a single trace of Calculus in any of the calculations I performed. Nor did the problem require any kind of Calculus to solve. I'm just saying I don't feel the need to brag about anything so I can denigrate someone else. The "margin of error" you were referring to happened only because I never even bothered to play your dirty lil' number games until now.

You should probably take your own advice, Socrates.

Anyhow, you like Guild Wars and think WoW blows. I think I'm cool with that Thanks and have a good day!

I've played GW and WoW both extensively, and it really depends on what you want.

Guild Wars has better graphics, and beats WoW's PvP hands down, beyond doubt. It's balanced, coordinated, fast paced, etc. It's simultaneously more hardcore and more casual than WoW's system, in that you can jump into random arena for quick matches or do guild vs guild matches with a full ladder system and everything.

As for PvE... as for as exploration, and general enjoyment of the world, WoW wins hands down. GW's PvE feels like pipeworks, like the entire world is just one long linear dungeon, and worse, it's not a persistant world, so it feels less real in that sense too.

Both games have god-awful end-game PvE, however. GW for similar reasons as above, and WoW because it's just an ultra-long boredom fest. At least leveling you got interesting abilities and such, the smaller 5 and 10 man dungeons were great, etc.
The end-game dungeons are nothing but finding gear unless you're in a hardcore guild that has the time (and god damn you need a lot of it) and resources to tackle "new" content on your own. Few people with actual jobs and such have that kind of time, and you still have to be incredibly patient.

OK have played both Wow (gettin to top lvl which is 70 and having epic items) and have played GW (lvl 20 and good items) and i THINK KEEP WOW IF YOU GET GUILD WARS YOU WILL CRY IT S**T YOU ONLY LVL TILL 20 WHICH IS SO STUPID THERE IS NO POINT YOU HARDLY SEE ANYONE AND WITH WOW IF YOU HAVE EXSPANSION LIKE I HAD YOU WILL HAVE MUCH MORE FUN

DONT GET GW PLZ IVE WASTED MY MONEY

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Originally posted by Max-Core:
Guild Wars bring out Expansions aswell, WOW had one expansion a few months back which allowed players to bore themselves to death leveling up to level 70 which was completely ridiculous. I dont play an MMORPG to fight continous waves of monsters to slowly level up higher and higher, the quests such on WOW compared to the team play co-op story-line missions on Guild Wars. The Guild Wars expansions gave players new worlds, campaigns and classes including the Ritualist, Assassin, Dervish and Parogon etc etc. WOW - Burning Crusade has 2 extra shitty classes - i only know 1 - Blood Mage which is basically the same as a mage according to my m8 who recently gave up playing the game. Burning Crusade has the same old shitty combat system, the same old shitty world map and generally its CRAP and u pay nothing for Guild Wars online and u pay £8 ($15) a month for boredom for WOW

AS FOR Max-Core'S COMMENT THE NEW RACE IN WOW CALLED BLOODELFS CAN BE MORE THEN A MAGE BUT YOU WOULDNT NO THAT COZ YOU HAVENT PLAYED IT SO BEFORE YOU DESTROY A GAME MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY IT ANYWAYS WHATS GOOD ABOUT CRAPY GW THATS FOR 10 YR OLDS THAT WANT TO LOOK COOL ATLEAST WITH WOW YOU HAVE TO WORK TO GET THINGS I HAVE PLAYED GUILD WARS FOR ABOUT 3 DAYS AND AM TOP LVL AND HAVE GOOD ITEMS NOW WAT?????

OK LAST COMMENT ON WOW YOU CAN DO SO MUCH MORE YOU CAN GET PROFESSIONS LIKE SKINNER AND LEATHER WORKER WHICH MEANS WHEN YOU KILL AN ANIMAL YOU CAN SKIN THEM AND MAKE THINGS WITH THAT ITEM YOU CAN FISH AND GET FISH TO EAT OR SELL YOU CAN MINE AND SELL ORE YOU CAN GET MOUNTS AND FLYING MOUNTS THAT MAKE YOU RUN FASTER YOU CAN PLAY ON A MASSIVE MAP MUCH BIGGER THEN GW YOU CAN GO TO DUNGEONS WHICH REQUIRES A GROUP OF 5 PPL AND IN THE DUNGEONS YOU WORK TOGETHER TO FIGHT HARDER (ELITE FOES) THAT DROP DIFFERENT RARE ITEMS AND WHEN YOU LVL 58 YOU CAN PORTAL TO A PLACE CALLED OUTLANDS WHICH OWNS BUT NONE OF YOU ON HERE NO ABOUT THAT COZ YOU NEVER LVLED PAST ABOUT 20-30 TRUST ME KEEP PLAYING WOW THEY HAVE A NEW EXSPANSION COMING SOON SO GET THAT F**K GW HAVE TO STOP NOW COMMENT GETTING TO BIG

KEEP WOW

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Originally posted by Max-Core:
I agree with Win, the pvp system on WoW sucks and the whole reason having only up to level 20 (On Guild Wars now), (which players normally reach near to the end of the co - op story line missions), means that Guild Wars players dont have the boredom of "grinding" for weeks on end, an an attempt to slowly level up and become stronger. That is exactly what you HAVE to do on WoW and its Boring as F***. Guild Wars players never have to grind, instead they reach level 20 by doing the co - op (4-8 player) missions which are very enjoyable and then players can move on to the peak of GW, the PvP!! Its amazing, no doubt about it, The Guild Battles, Hall of Heroes, Random Arenas and Team Arenas and now with Factions and Nightfall out, there is even more pvp play. As for the overall price, you are completely wrong about the calculations, and also you fail to understand that for WoW, your money is spent on playing the standard game, and on Guild Wars, your money is spent on Buying EXPANSIONS which IMPROVE the game. You dont even have to buy the expansions, players can still enjoy the updates and pvp play on the original Guild Wars game without the NightFall and Factions expansions. Although they will not be able to play as the new classes. In simple terms that Carlito's Way will understand: "Guild Wars Owns WoW"

OK FIRST OF boredom of "grinding" for weeks on end, an an attempt to slowly level up and become stronger BULLS**T WHEN I PLAYED WOW I QUESTED ALL THE WAY UP TO LVL 70 DIDNT GRIND ONCE. AND IS THERE ANY ACHIVEMENT OF LVLING TO 20 I DID IT IN A DAY WOW WHAT A FUN GAME (NOT!!!). AND YOUR BIGGEST LIE IS "Guild Wars Owns WoW" YOU BY A GAME TO PLAY AND I PLAYED WOW FOR AGES I HAVE PLAYED GW FOR ABOUT 3 DAYS AND DAMN IM BORRED ALREADY

WOOO PEOPLE WHO PLAY GW ARE STUPID PUT THE GAME IN THE BIN GO BY WOW AND BURNING CRUSADE. OK IM GOING NOW PLZ PPL DONT BY GW IT SUCKS AND IF YOU DO WANT IT CONTACT ME ILL LET YOU HAVE MINE ITS SHIT

J_IS_KING@HOTMAIL.CO.UK= FREE GW ILL EVEN SEND IT 2 YOU

Jordan how old are you ? 6? okay go play your nintendo for all I care. Drop the caps you moron and happy new year 2008!

You said you played GW for how many days? ...3 okay that says a lot, thanks!

Wow still blows. GW2 will send WoW packing home.

Jordan, if Wow 's so great why in the world would you start playing GW ? okay enough said.

For those who don't have a killer pc try this out for fun:

http://s6.gladiatus.com/game/c.php?uid=83503

Hi

I know it's an old topic but since i've played Guild Wars for over 2 years at a rate of 35 hours a week and WoW for a year at about 20 hours a week, i would like to say something.

Gulld Wars is a great game for those of you that want a well balanced pvp experience, that want to play for a few hours or minutes and go, that want to play alone since there are henchman and heros (that you can choose skills for) to bring them along with you. Once you have discovered a town, you can jump directly to this town without having to run there every time.
No need to grind for money.
You dont have to choose a server.
You are always in an instance, no other players arround you once you are out of towns

In wow the world is more alive, since, exept for the donjons, you always have people that are near and doing thier quest, and can help you, most of the time they will without having to ask, to complete you own quest.
There is an auction house to sell the stock that you dont want/need.
You can quest alone but you will need people for the harder ones and cant do donjon without a good group.
You have to choose a server, so if your friends are on anther server, you cant play with them.
You dont have to do the donjons to level up, but you are missing one of the best part of this game.

If you are a more casual player and does not have lots of time to put in a game take guild wars, if you like to play for hours witout leaving the game and like the constant living wold, take WoW.

... First of all, Jordan, shut the f*ck up. Playing 3 days of GW isn't enough of an experience. And you probably think 'Good items' are Blues and Purples, so just shut up.

Anyways, to the discussing...

I've been playing GW for over a year now, and have played the WOW free trial. Here are my opinions to both. I am a bit GW oriented so I'll be insulting WOW... a lot :P

Guild Wars Pros:

Better Community - the people on GW are way friendlier than on WOW. First day I started the trial, over twenty people called me noob

Instanced Areas - this may also be a con as you cannot meet other players outside a town, but this also is balanced by the fact that no one can steal your kills (which was extremely annoying in WOW. Some random mage kept following me then delivering the killing blows to my kills). Even in a party, the drops are distributed randomly so its fair

Skill Variety - since EotN, there are now 1000+ skills! In WOW you get like twenty per class, which somehow lets you cast a higher level version of one skill, then a lower version right after it. That doesn't make sense!

PvP - ... Look at all the other replies, they'll explain it. And for those future WOW people going to argue about how the 'Horde' and 'Alliance' system is SO superior to GW, we have that too. In Factions, the new system of Alliances were made. Now we have the Kurzicks and Luxons, so suck it, WOW

Heroes and Henchies - in WOW, if say everyone is watching the Superbowl and you're not (aka have no life), you would be alone in the massive world with no one to play or raid with. In GW you can hire henchies and heroes which are less effective than real players but are adequate to go questing and such. The new Hero Battles even add the Strategy genre to GW, so again, suck it, WOW

Instant Travel - no need to waste expensive items or waste money trying to get a ride to wherever you wanna go, you can go there instantly with no charge on GW!

No Subscription Fees - my friend played WOW for a year... Now my allowance a week is more than ALL of his money (yes I'm a kid, but so are several of the people on WOW and GW, so deal with it (in fact some 'mature' people act more immature than I do on these kinds of games :P))

Guild Wars Cons:

One Race - yes only one race, but come on! There are TEN professions! That surely balances it out

No Auction House - I understand the need of an auction house in GW, but its not really necessary. If you had an item worthy enough to not pawn at the NPC merchant, just wait till Saturday afternoon, get in District 1 of Lions Arch and say "WTS blah blah blah, PM me!" three times, and BAM! Its sold...

Linear Gameplay - yes I admit GW is above average at best in PvE, but then again it IS a PvP oriented game. The linear gameplay and missions also aren't necessary to follow. Heck, I even have a character that did only one mission, Sanctum Cay to get to Crystal Desert :P

I don't even bother to list WOW comments because I haven't played it enough. See, even I'm smart enough not to venture into partly explored territory.

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Originally posted by Light4494:
Better Community - the people on GW are way friendlier than on WOW. First day I started the trial, over twenty people called me noob

Welcome to planet Earth. Come on, don't tell me there's a douche filter in GW. You just told Jordan to shut the fuck up and told WoW to suck it.

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Instanced Areas - this may also be a con as you cannot meet other players outside a town, but this also is balanced by the fact that no one can steal your kills (which was extremely annoying in WOW. Some random mage kept following me then delivering the killing blows to my kills). Even in a party, the drops are distributed randomly so its fair

I guess it depends how you perceive it, but to many people a seamless, persistent gameworld is a much better perspective for PvE and WoW delivers that. Like you said, however, there are tons of stalkers who tag your mobs which can be very annoying (all dungeons in WoW are instanced though). WoW also has a balanced party loot and more. You can set it so that people roll on valuable items or you can choose to have a master looter if you're in a raiding guild.

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Skill Variety - since EotN, there are now 1000+ skills! In WOW you get like twenty per class, which somehow lets you cast a higher level version of one skill, then a lower version right after it. That doesn't make sense!

Hmmm...I haven't played GW so I wouldn't know what to say about the 1000+ skills. But in WoW's defense I've never heard of a higher ranked skill that has lower output than the previous rank? Can you please back that up (class, spell/skill name, level required and rank number)? I guess I'd be more excited if I had more skills at my fingertips.

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PvP - ... Look at all the other replies, they'll explain it. And for those future WOW people going to argue about how the 'Horde' and 'Alliance' system is SO superior to GW, we have that too. In Factions, the new system of Alliances were made. Now we have the Kurzicks and Luxons, so suck it, WOW

Admittedly, PvP in WoW blows. Especially for someone whose class is easily shut down by its counter class (a.k.a. Rock Paper Scissors).

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Instant Travel - no need to waste expensive items or waste money trying to get a ride to wherever you wanna go, you can go there instantly with no charge on GW!

Actually, real-time travel is kind of a visually fun part of the gameworld because it makes the experience real. I mean, sure, the personal mounts cost a lot of money, blah blah, but they actually look good. The costs of paid transportation offered by the NPC's are practically negligible on the other hand.

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No Subscription Fees - my friend played WOW for a year... Now my allowance a week is more than ALL of his money (yes I'm a kid, but so are several of the people on WOW and GW, so deal with it (in fact some 'mature' people act more immature than I do on these kinds of games :P!

I've got nothing on you on this one. The subscription fees do suck. I can only wish that Blizzard would take them off but I doubt that is happening. What we get in return, however, is that the WoW community has pretty good influence on the game developers in determining the content of future patches via the community website and forums.

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One Race - yes only one race, but come on! There are TEN professions! That surely balances it out!

You can make a character in WoW that is a combination of one of the 10 races and 9 different character classes. You can go do your permutations to figure out the total possible class/race combinations. Whatever the result, it is certainly more than TEN. Beyond that, there are 3 talent specializations within the character class. For example, a Dwarf (race) Priest (character class) upon reaching level 10 can choose to specialize in one of the 3 talent specializations, which will differentiate him from the other two. A Holy Priest is so distinct from a Shadow Priest that they might as well be considered 2 different classes. There you go, further diversity even within a character class.

Professions are construed differently in WoW. In GW a profession is equivalent to character class. In WoW a profession is a trade skill. Like, an actual profession to make money. There are 10 professions available currently which can allow your character to make huge amounts of gold. These are the Gathering Professions (Herbalism, Skinning, and Mining) and Production Professions (Enchanting, Tailoring, Alchemy, Blacksmithing, Leatherworking, Jewelcrafting, and Engineering).

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No Auction House - I understand the need of an auction house in GW, but its not really necessary. If you had an item worthy enough to not pawn at the NPC merchant, just wait till Saturday afternoon, get in District 1 of Lions Arch and say "WTS blah blah blah, PM me!" three times, and BAM! Its sold!

The AH is so useful it is a complete understatement.

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Linear Gameplay - yes I admit GW is above average at best in PvE, but then again it IS a PvP oriented game.

Well the discussion was pretty much over once you said this. WoW is more PvE oriented; the 25 man content at end game is unbelievable. GW is PvP oriented and has much less (maybe none at all) balance issues than WoW does. Both games are trying hard to get better at what they are less oriented and fail at.

Because of their differences in focus, there isn't and never have been any real point in comparing WoW to GW besides the presence or lack of subscription fees.

I wanna try GW just for the hell of it. But at this point I don't have time to play both games. WoW got me first, unfortunately. My loss (or not). I might grab it though on my next visit to Best Buy.

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I see some of your points there. After all, I had only played WoW for 14 days, so I wouldn't know that much of it. And if you need some info on which campaign of GW to buy, just go to Guild Wars Guru. They have section that compares the campaigns and will tell you which would fit your needs.

well... I have only played WoW, but wait, its not the wow most of you probley have played, I play on a private server, which is apparently legal.

You see, I am the cheepest bastard you will ever meet, and I refuse to pay for games, so I got my friend to give me WoW and the expansions and I just play on private servers, the setup is the exact same as WoW except you just do a little editing.

I was considering trying guild wars, but that would involve me actually buying it, and I don't know about that... but I kind of like WoW as I play it now, as it doesn't have the downside of fees which is nice (does have a few bugs and not an insane amount of people but those are no problem)

guild wars looks very good though and if I somehow get over my cheepness or find it for like 2 bucks I definatly will get it.

but wow for me has been the best mmorpg I ever played, (or I guess in my case mmmoropg "moderately massive multiplayer online rolep playing game") the leveling up aspect is actually... fun... which I never encountered before in any game, and the pvp aspect is very nice, and the characters don't look too bad either. The plot is pretty cool if you get into it as well.

well thats my say... critisism and spelling corrections... commence!


EDIT: reading through this forum people arn't very kind to one another, but I think Ive been convinced to mabye throw a few bucks on a used copy of guildwars or something...

If you want a nice reliable game that always has new and updated content, go with WoW. If you are a hardcore PVP'er, go with Guild Wars.