Guild Wars bring out Expansions aswell, WOW had one expansion a few months back which allowed players to bore themselves to death leveling up to level 70 which was completely ridiculous. I dont play an MMORPG to fight continous waves of monsters to slowly level up higher and higher, the quests such on WOW compared to the team play co-op story-line missions on Guild Wars. The Guild Wars expansions gave players new worlds, campaigns and classes including the Ritualist, Assassin, Dervish and Parogon etc etc. WOW - Burning Crusade has 2 extra shitty classes - i only know 1 - Blood Mage which is basically the same as a mage according to my m8 who recently gave up playing the game. Burning Crusade has the same old shitty combat system, the same old shitty world map and generally its CRAP and u pay nothing for Guild Wars online and u pay £8 ($15) a month for boredom for WOW

Pfft. If you've only played a month of WoW then you have no idea what you are talking about. You obviously have no clue how the PvP system works in WoW. And I am not gonna explain now how the extensive PvP system of WoW works (since you won't understand). It has much more depth and intensity compared to the more casual Guild Wars.

I heard in Guild Wars a Level 1 can toast a Level 20. ??? Whats the point of leveling then? Screw the levelling system if a level 20 doesnt mean shit to a level 1.

With regard to the price point, Guild Wars charges 60 dollars per game. EVERY SIX MONTHS (they release a stand alone or expansion). dude, that works out to the same costs.

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Originally posted by Carlito's Way:
Pfft. If you've only played a month of WoW then you have no idea what you are talking about. You obviously have no clue how the PvP system works in WoW. And I am not gonna explain now how the extensive PvP system of WoW works (since you won't understand). It has much more depth and intensity compared to the more casual Guild Wars.

I heard in Guild Wars a Level 1 can toast a Level 20. ??? Whats the point of leveling then? Screw the levelling system if a level 20 doesnt mean shit to a level 1.

With regard to the price point, Guild Wars charges 60 dollars per game. EVERY SIX MONTHS (they release a stand alone or expansion). dude, that works out to the same costs.

Wow, another ignorant player. Your crap bias is what turns the typical MMORPG gamer into an idiot. WoW has extensive PvP, eh? I've been playing MMORPG titles for 10 years and WoW has possibly the worst PvP system ever created. Criticize me as you will, it's a fact, and anyone with at least a sense of intellectual direction would agree. Balance is mediocre, to say the least, and Blizzard wouldn't give a shit regardless. World of Warcraft was branched out as a crappier product of Blizzard, due to the idiots believing ideas of balanced PvP gameplay couldn't be possible as they wanted to make a gear-heavy environment. In a smart reaction, the founders of ArenaNet (Former Blizzard Employees) started a new project (Guild Wars) in order to create a primarily PvP based game to compete with WoW. Many people chose WoW due to the nature of the beast (WoW is a persistent world) and the appeal of the Blizzard tag. Honestly, if Diablo/2 and Starcraft fans understood the same people who developed those titles were not taking part in the WoW developing, they would likely aim for the latter (Guild Wars). Unfortunately, WoW has become a trend due to overrated (Disgustingly bad bias reviews) and commercial advertising. You don't know a thing about MMOs, as you apparently cannot tell decency.

In response to the obviously unimaginative mind in which "you heard", Guild Wars uses 20 levels to keep competition at a peak. Theres a reason behind all the things you find stupid because you never played Guild Wars. New expansion every six months eh? Factions didn't come out for a year (Thats 12 months, $50 retail) and Nightfall came out 6 months after (9 on average, $160 in 18 months versus $330 | WoW + 18months of gameplay). So I fail to see your logical thinking there too.

Besides being narrow-minded, its easy to conclude deep-thinking isn't your forte. If WoW uses a much more depth and intense PvP system, how come theres no real competition ladders? Worldwide tournaments? No, it's terrible.

I could keep on going, but I rather hear the amazing brains behind the wow player's flames.

The Battlegrounds might come through as a big mass of confusion I concede, but at least you can tell Blizzard is attempting to make some improvements with the new Arena system with ladder-based style of competition established for the Burning Crusade expansion.

I'm not sure what got you all flared up, but I don't think it's fair you're coming up with personal attacks. I wasn't personally attacking the previous poster, but I was rather making a point on how WoW as a game was attacked on the wrong premises (he was making claims that Guild Wars is a better game because of the selection of character classes, which I think is trivial, i.e., you attacked WoW as a rank amateur game because it had stupid Mages and inferior Pallys instead of superior Dervishes and Paragons. The issue is gameplay, and not whether it's a mage or a Blood Elf).

I really don't know why I wasn't attracted to Guild Wars, but maybe it's because I've always been into the distinct-traditional character classes and the lore involved with them inspired by the prototype DND RPG classes. When I looked at the cover of WoW for the first time at the store, I thought to myself, can I play a Mage? Can I play a Warrior? A Rogue? A Cleric/Pally? Those were the questions I was asking myself prior to purchase. When I looked at Guild Wars, I thought... what are the six core professions and what are they? Just by reading the words, "Elementalist", "Mesmer", I wasn't too sure what equivalences they had with traditional classes. I mean, of course, I can put two and two together and figure out what a Monk or a Ritualist does, but you know what I'm saying. I don't know, but go ahead and paint me unadventurous and unexplorative. I like my traditional lore, and WoW offers that to me quite nicely, combined with an adequate PvE gameplay and environment. Fine. They stink at PvP. Happy?

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I agree with Win, the pvp system on WoW sucks and the whole reason having only up to level 20 (On Guild Wars now), (which players normally reach near to the end of the co - op story line missions), means that Guild Wars players dont have the boredom of "grinding" for weeks on end, an an attempt to slowly level up and become stronger. That is exactly what you HAVE to do on WoW and its Boring as F***. Guild Wars players never have to grind, instead they reach level 20 by doing the co - op (4-8 player) missions which are very enjoyable and then players can move on to the peak of GW, the PvP!! Its amazing, no doubt about it, The Guild Battles, Hall of Heroes, Random Arenas and Team Arenas and now with Factions and Nightfall out, there is even more pvp play. As for the overall price, you are completely wrong about the calculations, and also you fail to understand that for WoW, your money is spent on playing the standard game, and on Guild Wars, your money is spent on Buying EXPANSIONS which IMPROVE the game. You dont even have to buy the expansions, players can still enjoy the updates and pvp play on the original Guild Wars game without the NightFall and Factions expansions. Although they will not be able to play as the new classes. In simple terms that Carlito's Way will understand: "Guild Wars Owns WoW"

Also I have experienced the WoW Pvp, and it wasnt much of an experience. On PvP servers, alliance and horde characters virtually never meet and attack eachother, and as for this "battleground" pvp, its terrible, Its the most boring game EVER, some shitty CTF game kept me entertained for about 2 minutes before the horde team (us) lost almost instantly by a team of "twinked" low level pvpers. The game was terrible and even more so when compared with Guild Wars's Pvp.

I managed to experience almost the whole of WoW in a month too as it was so crap. Some fat American Level 60 character who had spent his whole life sitting on his fat arse killing monsters and eating Mc Donalds taking me round the World until i got bored and logged off noticing that WoW uses about 180,000 k of CPU Usage. I couldnt understand as the graphics were so bad and there was basically no players online except in the main city of Durotar i think it was.

sorry for the multiple threads, but about the point about me saying that the character classes were better. I only made a reference to the character classes as the Blood Mage is basically Exactly the same as the standard mage in the original WoW game, so that was an invalid point. I only really care about the gameplay anyway and the gameplay on GW is generally better anyway, the PvP is about 100 times better than the Battlegrounds on WoW, and as the PvP is so good, it is EXTREMELY hard to get bored of the game, as for WoW i didnt want to kill pointless waves of enemies and do a stupidly pointless quest of collecting eggs or killing 10 dragons, instead i wanted FUN not BOREDOM espescially for the £8 a month i was paying, tbh i subscribed for about 3 months of WoW but only really PLAYED for the first and maybe little of the second, the rest i was bored.

I just said that WoW stinks at PvP. Guild Wars has superior PvP, has an eternal selection of more omnipotent character classes and core professions that dwarf those of WoW's, has dauntingly much more beautiful and pristine graphics (while WoW has disgustingly unfuckingbelivably obscene graphics making the horribly expensive subscription fees extremely unjustified) and is an overall superior game by quite a hopelessly huge margin because it incorporates a sublime strategy-based gameplay instead of placing excess emphasis on twinking your characters out with completely supercilious and costly equipment thereby creating a pointless game where balanced competition is an unattainable impossiblity.



The fatal mistake Blizzard made in developing WoW is amalgamating PvP into a "should have been strictly PvE RPG". Screw Blizzard and its money making tactics. They don't give a shit about balanced competition.

Ohh this thread has made me chuckle, Your still actually talking about WoW? and trying to desperately prove its superior to any other MMORPG, i played WoW for 3 years on Khadgar EU and i used to think like you, ignorant that there was not any other game that could better it.

I then woke up, and played EVE online, there is a reason that it tops the player charts on MMORPG.com and a reason why the average player age is 27, Its got a learning curve like a brick wall and this keeps immature younger players out.

I loved WoW, but i also loathed the level of immaturity which existed within the community, Eve has a whole solar system to explore, trade in, pirate in, be an industrialist, etc etc.

As for Guild wars, i played that for a while aswell, and i do not count it as a MMORPG at all, it lacks the level of interaction needed for it to be classed as one, its also incredibly linear, the missions are patronizing.

So stop arguing about two games which are both as childish and bad as each other, ill stick with a more "adult" mmorpg.

I dont believe I'm being ignorant here by supporting ArenaNet and Guild Wars. I know that there are better games than Guild Wars but I'm just stating that Guild Wars betters WoW, and thats what this thread is about - GW vs. WoW. and yeah EVE online is pretty awesome but it fucked up on my pc after playing for about 3 weeks. :S

Random-Man is back, yay! *applause* But my name really isn't Random-Man but I can be random and I is a man... Ok, getting to be on topic.... soon enough.

Ok, warning-time.
Warning: Contains my opinion... If that even matters.
Note to WoW Fanatics that might see this: Don't get mad and email me. Go gank another one.
Note to GW Fanatics that might see this: Punch a pillow
Disclaimer: In no way do I condone violence and/or the brutal murders of pillows and newbies... Just n00bs.

Ok, I'm not really responding to anyone other than glocktodahead.(right now)

Now in my opinion, Guild Wars(GW) is better than WoW. But also imo GW and WoW are good games, more-so if you have friends to play with, otherwise it can get pretty lonely going through the story of GW or the immense solitude of lvl grinding on WoW.
Theres my 2 reais on that matter, now for my 2 taka on the matter of GW vs WoW vs all the games in exsistence.

From what I can see this matter need-not-be-touched but I'm gonna touch it.(that so doesn't sound good)

Anyways imo Rainbow Six:Vegas, Oblivion, Viva Pinata, FEAR, Halo 2, EVE Online, the Command & Conquer series, Armored Core 4, the Age of Empires series, Saints Row, Call of Duty 3, and at least 10 more games are all better than GW and WoW. Now to be blunt, the point I'm trying to make is that we all have different preferences and tastes, something someone might like is something someone else might not like, I know I'm stating the obvious but yeah. What it looks like to me is that this topic went from opinions to a small squabble.

But yeah anyways, have a good day and someday eventually I may come back, toodles. Merda taurorum animas conturbit, Corripe Cervisiam, Veni, Vidi, Dormivi. Pax vobiscum.

Oh yeah imo GW2 is gonna be awesome.
Now my opinions and nonsense ends here_____ for now.

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Originally posted by Max-Core:
Guild Wars bring out Expansions aswell, WOW had one expansion a few months back which allowed players to bore themselves to death leveling up to level 70 which was completely ridiculous. I dont play an MMORPG to fight continous waves of monsters to slowly level up higher and higher, the quests such on WOW compared to the team play co-op story-line missions on Guild Wars. The Guild Wars expansions gave players new worlds, campaigns and classes including the Ritualist, Assassin, Dervish and Parogon etc etc. WOW - Burning Crusade has 2 extra shitty classes - i only know 1 - Blood Mage which is basically the same as a mage according to my m8 who recently gave up playing the game. Burning Crusade has the same old shitty combat system, the same old shitty world map and generally its CRAP and u pay nothing for Guild Wars online and u pay £8 ($15) a month for boredom for WOW

LOL. You have just shown that you have NOT played WoW, or you haven't played it enough to 'know' all about it.
Mainly because of your talk about "blood mages". What the fuck are blood mages??? please tell me. The new things the Burning Crusade brought were 2 new races, Blood Elves and Draenei.
I have never played Guild Wars so I'm not going to comment on it. What I do know is that WoW is a good game, if you play it the right way, and actually pay attention to everything. It's not only about grinding and leveling. It's also actually paying attention to the quests, to the story, and one of the best things about WoW is that it manages to retain the storyline, cultures etc. in the world it's set in perfectly.

Thank you for your time.

Yeah... the WoW expansion has actually been very nicely done, on the whole. TBC instances are cool, and the higher level stuff has become a little more accessible for non hardcore raiding types... the next big patch promising to tune that further (and make Karazhan loot a bit more of upgrades than "sidegrades"....)

I have never played Guild wars but I played WOW for like six months. WOW is a great game , I mean theres the auction and buying and selling of Items, I mean theres a whole economy. The Graphics are not that impressive but they don't have to be. The downside is WOW's customer service and bullshit rules. I mean if someone is ordering you around and telling you how to play and you tell him to shove it and he\she gets "lippy" and you have a negative exchange of words...you get reported and suspended.

My last offense before getting banned was calling a kid a fag because he was ordering our party around and telling us how to do things. I'm all for cooperation but I did not agree with the kid, we were half way threw a dungeon and I was going with my instincts. We also suffered no casualties and were doing fine in the first place. Anyway, I was annoyed after the five times I asked him nicely to stop telling us what to do then I merely called him "fag boy". Do this a few times and you lose your account you have been working on for months or years. No exceptions. Also the GM's play favorites. It's also funny to know that fag is the only word that is not filtered out in there text because the word has several meaning and in a sense can mean degenerate. Which in this context is not inappropriate sexually abusive language like they accused me of using.

Another thing is while in game you will notice random people whispering you offering to sell you gold. They use temp characters with names like "jkadfjka". they ask you to visit their web sites for power leveling etc. I have read numerous forums and have heard of people buying gold off the websites these people whisper to you and shortly after WOW closes there accounts. (look it up yourselves). The GM's are more corrupt then the politicians in our government.

Personally, before I heard of this I chose a random Site to buy gold off of because I was sick of dedicating my life to WOW for minimal reward and did not have a problem with it. WOW did not find out. My hunch is WOW does this on purpose(sending people messages offering to sell gold)in other words "entrapment" Which is fu#king crazy. I figure they do it to people so they will have to go out and buy another game because you can not have more than 1 account per CD-Key. So If your account gets banned and you still want to play. You can not just simply start a new account using mommy's name or your girlfriends. You will need to buy a whole new game for a new CDkey. They will sure except the same credit card number though.
I mean it's obvious after you read all the rules and put it all together. It's a damn conspiracy. Not to mention a few GM's have there own private websites they sell gold at on the side to make extra cash because they only make minimum wage micro managing people and making irrational, non penalizing decisions safely behind a computer screen. what I would give to have one of these key board bashing computer techno pricks throats in my grip... Sorry about that.
You will see people using all sorts of bad language and all sorts of people using what they like to call " hidden" language or "hidden meanings". Not everyone gets reported which is not fair. 90% of the children on the servers are report happy and can not take what they dish out. If they can't come up with a snappy come back they will report you which is GAY. The GM's are GAY. They want to lose as much clients as possible do to policy violations just so the simpletons will by another game especially if those simpletons were lvls 50-70. That's another guaranteed 2-4 months game play out of each individual. I guess when you have 6-7 million players a few ten thousand people is not sh!t. In my opinion go with another game. I almost decided to go back to WOW despite everything until I read up on EQ2 and Guild wars.

I also know its not nice to call people fags but I'm telling you it gets stressful and everyone else talks to each other disrespectfully. I also call my best of freinds fags when joking around or when we get a little irritated with each other and vice versa, no hard feelings. I would not type anything to someone I would not say in person and I am a all around decent guy. Back to the language thing. A simple warning label on the box would solve any issues with small children being exposed to harsh words that the filter could'nt take care of or maybe even a little, I don't know parent supervision? They claim cheating, scamming are all thing not to be tolerated in the real world so they will not be tolerated in world of Warcraft. I think if there going to incorporate "real life" morals how about engaging the FUCKING 1st amendment.

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I've played both WoW and Guildwars, and I personally believe that, subscription costs aside (which is a major bonus), WoW is in a different league.
I'm not going to go into all the minute details of why I believe this (heck you only have to read the previous two pages for extensive arguments in favour of both games), I just dont understand those that favour GW, maybe its because I played WoW first, but GW just completely underwhelmed on every single level (except maybe PVP, but with TBC out, which majorly improved WoW's pvp, I even question this comparison). It's still a good game, dont get me wrong, but (IMO) to even try and compare it to WoW is ludicrous.

this thread is friggin NUTS. Some of you people are c-r-a-z-y.

Guild Wars VS wow scenerio made me believe 2 things. More polygons doesnt mean a better game, and subscription based games are a B!TCH when you add up 36 months x $12. holy crap! GW wins the "budget" contest hands down. But 12 bucks a month is like drinking a couple beers at a bar, which I got no problem doing regularly. So... this drunkard will say...


GW is like counter-strike. Yeah, its jump in, slam 1-2-3 a bunch, then create a sticky spot in your pants.

WoW -can- be played like that depending on your class, go rogue or mage for insta ass slammage. But for the most part the "inbalance" stuff i hear on this thread means use teamwork, not the "AWP noobage" mentality.

GW is pretty. It has probably a year left of being considered "realistic" before it just looks outdated. WoW uses a sh!tton more creative artwork in the world and animation. seriously the WOW animation--the jumping, the interacting with the world, the gay dancing, is fresh and feels more alive and diverse. Also, I hate how GW restricts you to only walking on paths that are pre-approved walking areas. WoW has you friggin flying around the world on giant friggin stingrays and crap. Thats sexy.

Wow SUCKS. GW sucks. Fallout 2 was my fav RPG ever, and if Fallout 3 sucks I'm going to piss on my power supply and call it a day.

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GW - Casual Gamers, dont want to spend 5 hours doing raids to become uber? Like instant PVP over PVE for 2 months to make all the battlegrounds. Cant or dont want to waste 15.00 a month (yes its a waste, like buying drugs, you dont need them put pay for them anyway) then get Guild Wars.

WoW - More for the devoted player. Do you like massive 40 man teamwork? Guild Drama (i personally think WoW has 10 times more Guild Drama then GW). Have $15.00 a month to spare. Do you like ganking people? Then I would get WoW.

I dont think either game is better then the other. The gameplay style of the two games is very different. Even though there both fantasy style play I dont think you can compare two games with these styles of play.

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Originally posted by We Brake for Nobody:
WoW - Guild Drama (i personally think WoW has 10 times more Guild Drama then GW).

Oh God, very true. Guild drama brings so much reality into the game it makes the experience so ironic.

having played both and many other mmo's i can say farly that GW has an edge on WoW (very small edge, but its there) WoW does lack in graphics but this can be over looked even liked if your into a cartoony fun world. the questing is nearly endless and as for other players its like the real world jerks, and wonderful people (true of GW too) the market is Cleaner in WoW but still hard to get your money out of items fast. as for grinding with the new lvl cap being raised it will feal like it more than befor but nothing compaired to some cheaper games (knights online)

as for GW its go none of the grinding feal, and your almost never alone (sept farming, this is where GW grinds) but while playing trough the game its fast and fun, and the mixing of player abilities to make 1 uber character make GW a mind game aswell (WoW is less..how should i say it..challenging) as for questing rewords are alittle weak but the number of quests is unlimited. and the guild network makes finding poeple like you easy. for those who like PvP GW shines, the possibility to fight on a global scale and with nearly 1000skills to choise from makes each fight a guessing game as to the winner. though there are no wars(100+vs100+) these arena type battles can be watched by those not fighting(personaly i love this feature) on the down side item selling is a drag with chat selling (if you want top dollar for it) but can be fast if you are willing to take a cut in your price.

so to conclude this i must say GW was a more fun (i like thinking games, and stratigy) but for those who want a simpler fighting system WoW is excelent. and the only way to realy know which is best for you is to try the 14day trials. that being said have fun and remember they are just games

I've played about 2000 hours on each now, and both are pretty awesome. Currently I play WoW and not GW, and keep in mind that I am a PVE not PVP guy. It really kind of depends on what you are after and what kind of time you have. If you are a huge graphics fan, don't want a monthly fee, and have less time to play, go GW. WoW is incredibly deep though (professions rock), so if you have the time and are open to the graphics being more cartoony (or whatever) than GW, I highly recommend it.