Also one thing I'd like to add is that there are two kinds of WoW gamers. There's the Clicker, and then there's the Keystroke guy. I'm personally a Clicker, so the "1, 5, Ctrl + 5" theory doesn't apply to me In addition, I run addons that make my clicking life even easier.

The other thing I'd like to say concerns the algorithm I mentioned behind most MMORPG's (or even most RPG's in general). I cited "luck" as the determining factor in hitting or missing. This might sound rather discouraging, but it's really not what you think. To give you an example, in WoW, an enemy of the same level as you has a passive 4% chance to resist your attacks or spells; an enemy of your level +1 has a passive 5% chance to resist; an enemy of your level +2 has a passive 6% chance to resist; and so on. Thus, the 4-6% chance that you miss your enemy with your attacks is not really game breaking, unless you try to take on enemies that are multiple levels higher than you. Even then, this passive percentage miss can be negated with improved gear (or improved skills).

So yeah, there's still much going on behind the scenes even though at face value the combat dynamic seems to involve too much of sequencing.

Sorry for the back to back posts. I normally don't reply to myself, hehe...

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if you play WoW first, you will most likely be more intersted in it than GW. I know at one point I got bored with it and bought GW just to try it out and the two class system is great! But I went back to WoW after 3 days. I played City of Villains for a while too the game has a lot of depth to it...but I found lvling to be very slow and I couldnt find one class to stick with...so iwent back to WoW. Basically what I am trying to say here is that if you played WoW first, you are probably addicted and should just stick with it cuz you will most likely come back to it eventually!

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Originally posted by Blue Recluse:

What I don't believe is that one genre attracts more "intelligent" gamers than the other. I think skilled FPS are straight shooters (almost instinctive), while skilled RPG gamers are excellent at deductive skills. Both groups are smart in their own right.

From what I observed, people are usually into one thing or the other; rarely both. My older brother has always liked FPS and RTS. He finds RPG's boring. While I don't hate FPS and RTS, I really prefer RPG's.

On another note, RPG fans often love the medieval motif. RTS and FPS are often contemporary or futuristic.

I agree. Although I like RPGs, RTSs, and FPSs all. I don't like FPSs as much (since I usually get them far after they come out and when I try to play multiplayer, I'm turned into pixelated goo the second I enter the game) but I still play them. But I've found that with people who play RPGs they either like the fantasy medieval setting or the futuristic sci-fi. Rarely people mix the two. Most of my friends played games like WoW, EQ, DAoC, stuff like that. When I tried to get some of them to play Eve, most of them said they didn't want to play because they don't like the sci-fi genre of RPGs.

But I'm also into playing Medieval RTSs just as much as I am playing futuristic RTSs. I'm taking turns playing Medieval II: Total War and Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars. So I think it's safe to generalize that people like either/or type of time period, but I would think that there are a lot of people who like both just as equally.

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Originally posted by Blue Recluse:
Also one thing I'd like to add is that there are two kinds of WoW gamers. There's the Clicker, and then there's the Keystroke guy. I'm personally a Clicker, so the "1, 5, Ctrl + 5" theory doesn't apply to me In addition, I run addons that make my clicking life even easier.

I see... I think half of my friends are keystroke and half of my friends are clickers. Then they make up a class called "tabbers." Since I don't play, I don't understand what it means. All I know is that it has something to do with polymorphing everyone during a PvP battle. I think during 5s. But when I played my low-level character (never got higher than 10, I believe) I clicked on the monster, hit 1 (Attack), hit another button for my low-level skill, then hit another button after that to do another skill, and then waited until the monster was dead. Repeated that 50 times until I dinged.

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Originally posted by lol_red_ranger:
if you play WoW first, you will most likely be more intersted in it than GW. I know at one point I got bored with it and bought GW just to try it out and the two class system is great! But I went back to WoW after 3 days. I played City of Villains for a while too the game has a lot of depth to it...but I found lvling to be very slow and I couldnt find one class to stick with...so iwent back to WoW. Basically what I am trying to say here is that if you played WoW first, you are probably addicted and should just stick with it cuz you will most likely come back to it eventually!

Yes, most of my friends have "quit" WoW about 5 times. They always come back after a few months, even when there's a new game to play. They say that when StarCraft II comes out they're going to stop playing, but they said that about 5 other games when they quit. So, I don't have high hopes for them kicking the habit.

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Yes, most of my friends have "quit" WoW about 5 times. They always come back after a few months, even when there's a new game to play. They say that when StarCraft II comes out they're going to stop playing, but they said that about 5 other games when they quit. So, I don't have high hopes for them kicking the habit.

That's one of the bad things about WoW. It's WAY too addictive. People who say they quit come back in a few months. Although if a WoW player read a few pages of wowdetox(.)com, they'd probably quit then.

i have WoW and guild an i think for action WoW is better... i dont no really but mecros dont dellete ur WoW account coz really its not worth u startin again an a game u might not lik then regretin delleting u account.

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Originally posted by JimPlunder:
I see... I think half of my friends are keystroke and half of my friends are clickers. Then they make up a class called "tabbers." Since I don't play, I don't understand what it means. All I know is that it has something to do with polymorphing everyone during a PvP battle. I think during 5s. But when I played my low-level character (never got higher than 10, I believe) I clicked on the monster, hit 1 (Attack), hit another button for my low-level skill, then hit another button after that to do another skill, and then waited until the monster was dead. Repeated that 50 times until I dinged.

Haha tabbers are basically people who cycle-press TAB through their enemies instead of clicking on the enemy itself. So, they are of the keystroke variety

I do hear ya though about the action in WoW, the whole press 1, then global cooldown, then press 3, then global cooldown, click this, then global cooldown, etc. It does get repetitive, but it's really more an issue of preference. I think the spell graphics (I play a caster) and the big numbers on the screen that jump at you when you land a critical blow are what really makes the game for me though. At the higher end levels, when you have really mastered your character class you actually get more crafty and graceful with the way you fight enemies. People who do a lot of PvP get really good at this; PvE people tend to stay in one spot so they don't get too much practice with reflexes and jumping around.

I was a huge tabber (warlock). I played the game so hardcore. I've made top guilds on tichondrius, the core for example... but I had to quit wow to get my life back together. I still think I was the highest dpsing player that ever did play the game of WoW. Every guild I ever played in I got #1 DPS. It wasn't until I was up in the class of trying for world first boss kills that I was actually even allowed to go 100% because of my threat generation exceeding what any normal tank could do. (that was with the subtlety enchant and such) soulshatter was the greatest move ever designed for a warlock.

EDIT: Regarding PVE vs PVP anyone who is top-tier PVE will mop anyone in PVP. These players are top-tier for a reason. Most of the best pvp players are in some of the best pve guilds. Of course, one in awhile a really good pvp player will remain unguilded or in a non-pve guild, but this is typically by choice, not because he can't get into a good pve guild.

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Originally posted by Eirhead:
I was a huge tabber (warlock). I played the game so hardcore. I've made top guilds on tichondrius, the core for example... but I had to quit wow to get my life back together. I still think I was the highest dpsing player that ever did play the game of WoW. Every guild I ever played in I got #1 DPS. It wasn't until I was up in the class of trying for world first boss kills that I was actually even allowed to go 100% because of my threat generation exceeding what any normal tank could do. (that was with the subtlety enchant and such) soulshatter was the greatest move ever designed for a warlock.

EDIT: Regarding PVE vs PVP anyone who is top-tier PVE will mop anyone in PVP. These players are top-tier for a reason. Most of the best pvp players are in some of the best pve guilds. Of course, one in awhile a really good pvp player will remain unguilded or in a non-pve guild, but this is typically by choice, not because he can't get into a good pve guild.

Well most of the very successful/dedicated players are good in both PvP and PvE simply because they have enough time to collect gear for both aspects. I have to say though that an awesome PvP player in full s3 gear who has neither the experience in PvE end game raiding nor any kind of higher end PvE gear will be outperformed by someone in full T6 gear if he decides to raid in his s3 gear (I know this is debatable and the issue is dependent on class... for example, I've seen s3 Arms Warriors raid perfectly fine... I'm not sure how they perform against T6 Fury Warriors. I would argue that T6 Warriors would perform better in PvE endgame). Similarly, someone in full resilience s3 gear will destroy a T6. The thing is, there's a lot of toons running around having both T6 and s3 gear anyway, so it's easy to conclude that they go hand in hand when technically, performance in either aspect is not really dependent on each other, i.e., stats that are important to PvP are not as important to PvE and vice versa.

Yeah, Warlocks and Hunters are probably the highest DPS in the game currently. And with a Shadow Priest in the group, Warlocks can get even nastier numbers.

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Originally posted by Light4494:
That's one of the bad things about WoW. It's WAY too addictive. People who say they quit come back in a few months. Although if a WoW player read a few pages of wowdetox(.)com, they'd probably quit then.

I did check out that website just for kicks.. hmm... well.. the posts were kind of pedantic and obvious. You don't forego real life events for WoW. It's clear that those people who posted on wowdetox.com had a lot of issues to deal with, and I'm pretty certain they're definitely not representative of the entire WoW subscriber population.

World of Warcraft is just like any other hobby. You can get addicted to collecting DVD's, drinking, gardening, going to the gym, whatever. Hell some people are even addicted to this very discussion board. If you let World of Warcraft take over your life to that point, it's not Blizzard's fault, it's your fault.

World of Warcraft = MMORPG

Guild Wars = CORPG (Competitive Online RPG) As stated by Anet before it game out.

There for they are 2 different games, it's not like compairing exp WoW vs FFXI. Trying to compare these 2 games is retarded it's like comparing an apple to a car.

It's pretty much Diablo 2 where the only difference is, the towns = chat rooms.

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