I agree that the war is huge issue and has much bigger implications than just loss of lives. It's had enormous impact on our economy and our overall standing in the global community. We need someone who's willing to undo the U.S. policies that have been in effect the last 8 years, and Obama is the only candidate that seems willing to do that.

McCain, with his "100 years" comment and Clinton with her "obliterate" comment are both foreign policy disasters waiting to happen.

there is a statement thousands of policians have used ad nauseum. But you know what? It really is "time for a change" and a huge and drastic one at that.

Interesting. I would have figured that Barack Obama would be the most popular candidate here.

So now the real contest begins. Which corporation will get their guy in the big house? Tune in and tune out America. I'm so fucking angry right now. It's all Jeremy Scahill's fault; if he wasn't so goddamned right....

I assume you mean the Democratic Corp. But, what else do you expect? You can't be president. I can't either. You have to play the game. It's all a fucking game. Only children don't know that.

It's only a game if we let them dictate it to be as a game. Time for action you Americanos.

so who do you think is going to be next USA president? Obama or the other guy?

Obama.

Someone should start a presidential poll on MC

Whenever the subject of Obama comes up here in aus, almost every time, people disregard it, and say "America will never vote in a black president."

It annoys me a little, because they don’t bother to actually learn anything about what’s going on, and so far I don't think I’ve met one American who is pro McCain.

The polls most popularly used in the mainstream press are a little all over the place for now.

What I'm seeing is McCain with a comfortable margin generally, but then another showed Obama with daylight behind him.

The net seems to be Obama's best and most useful tool as the old goat and the GOP struggle to understand this techy thing.

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What I'm seeing is McCain with a comfortable margin generally, but then another showed Obama with daylight behind him.

I haven't seen any polls showing McCain leading nationally since about early May. If you go to Real Clear Politics, they basically compile all the major polls. They all show Obama in the lead by anywhere from 3 to 15 points.

Of course, national polls don't really mean anything, since it's electoral votes that count in the general. But even state-by-state, Obama seems to be doing well.

Thanks for that link Eric. Too much can be read into polls, but being cautious, there is some hope to be found in those numbers.

So McCain continues to illustrate that he knows nothing about foreign policy and is clearly relying on the whispered notes through his earpiece, while Obama shows he knows all too well most of the foreign policy issues and is going to blow the hell out of them as he moves further and further to the right to satisfy the corporate powers lining up behind him.

Can't the left get their own Blackwater type mercenary force, (lets call them Clearwater) storm D.C. and ship these mongrels off to an Antarctic prison???

Has no-one anything to add to this thread?

McCain is looking increasingly foolish, and I sense he is having trouble winning over centre Republicans. He lacks energy when on tv, and that surely will play against him, in a nation that votes so much based on physical presence.

It's so disappointing to see the impeachment fail, but not unexpected with the cowardly Senate at work.

McCain has been really embarrassing himself lately, yet his poll numbers are not going down. It shows the sad state of politics in America today; there's a baseline of about 40 to 45% of Americans who will just vote Republican no matter what, and to be fair probably another 40 to 45% who will never vote anything but Democrat. If Obama can't make it to 50% then it will probably never happen again.

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Has no-one anything to add to this thread?

I wish I had something meaningful to add, but it seems like the older I get, my frustration with the political system in The States only increases. I know it sounds embarrassingly apathetic, but I'm to the point where I feel like there's just no point in even discussing it anymore. It's all just a big media sh*t show anyway.

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Originally posted by Kulturtrager:
Has no-one anything to add to this thread?

I wish I had something meaningful to add, but it seems like the older I get, my frustration with the political system in The States only increases. I know it sounds embarrassingly apathetic, but I'm to the point where I feel like there's just no point in even discussing it anymore. It's all just a big media sh*t show anyway.

That is pretty much the sentiment of any citizen with some common sense. It is all just a bunch of talk and posturing, Obama talks a good game, but lets see if he can follow through. That is if Obama wins , if he doesn't I'll be flabbergasted towards the voters. It would be interesting if he didn't win...what would his followers do? Would there be an uprising? Especially if the vote is an extremely close loss. Maybe we can have another civil war. Fox News would go crazy.

America is in deep, deep trouble. A rogue presidency, enormous economic concerns and an increasingly poor image in the media of other nations.

In other words....get out there you goddamn lazy bastards and protest!! Write, vote, campaign...it's later than you think, but not so late as to not be able to save the country that brought us Chuck Berry, Key Lime Pie and Mary-Kate Olsen!!

I'm not even sure I know how to protest. Get a sign, stand by a govt building, and yell something? You just get thrown in jail, beat up, and maybe shot. It would not take long for this country to become a police state if the govt feels threatened. For the most part we are just a bunch of whiners who doesnt want to get our hands dirty. Soft and spoiled, we will likely let the whole thing burn down before making an effort to change.
(and change what? I'm not really sure there is anything to do, the train is off the tracks and screaming down a mountain, just sit back and enjoy the ride)

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I'm not even sure I know how to protest. Get a sign, stand by a govt building, and yell something? You just get thrown in jail, beat up, and maybe shot. It would not take long for this country to become a police state if the govt feels threatened. For the most part we are just a bunch of whiners who doesnt want to get our hands dirty. Soft and spoiled, we will likely let the whole thing burn down before making an effort to change.
(and change what? I'm not really sure there is anything to do, the train is off the tracks and screaming down a mountain, just sit back and enjoy the ride)

This pretty much sums up my sentiments. I don't know who to trust for information (certainly not the media) on either of the candidates, and I don't trust the candidates to give me solid information about themselves.

Pretty much, Big Business runs America anyway. We're just the little worker drones that sometimes think we can change things for the better. When's the last time real protesting got us anywhere? The Sixties? Those days are gone, friends.

I'm a child of the Eighties, and I'll admit, I have a hard time being anything more than apathetic when it comes to politics. To me, the one election I did vote (2004) meant having to choose between the lesser of two evils (I'll leave you all to decide who I voted for - I think you'll be surprised ). This time, though, I'm not sure I will vote unless something really rattles my cage. Not much time left to do that.