OBAMA ON THE ISSUES:


The Economy
1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNMIwx6bGvs

Taxes
1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpSDBu35K-8

2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LNqBS5OyqM&NR=1

3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpb4ldtsFz4

Government Spending

1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD1L7jDmgqc

National Security

1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs

Iraq

1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHEIi4XKRmM

Iran

1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhH2q6h7_Ow&NR=1

2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...XWrM&feature=related

Foreign Policy
1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-rrAIwYSPg

2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yTT_ZceRdU

3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ZWUg&feature=related

Energy

1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_uN_0XwY2o

2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akjXqfvLu28

Healthcare

1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shR4HZzr52o

Gun Rights

1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifEg1aq6Emo

Education

1) http://youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv...gfPw&sid=31321441634

2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV3QO-JkDBU

3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVLQhRiEXZs

Abortion

1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaeFHYiI6pw

Religion

1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmC3IevZiik

2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNoJ0q6HrK8

3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abhWFpu4CzU

He's a radical liberal. We know Obama... America was stupid enough to elect him and now we're paying for it (he was the greater of the two evils).

Hey, Obama is going to cut the federal budget. Awesome! Check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWt8hTayupE

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Originally posted by chaos:
Hey, Obama is going to cut the federal budget. Awesome! Check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWt8hTayupE

Even so... that's so insignificant.

What a disaster this administration is.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dr.Knockers:
OMG you guys you are sooooo totally right. I wish we could still have Bush in office he was so MMMMAZING.

it doesnt help to bitch about it in every thread. I bitched about bush for 8 years straight and it didnt do anything.

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Originally posted by Dr.Knockers:
it doesnt help to bitch about it in every thread. I bitched about bush for 8 years straight and it didnt do anything.

Who's bitching, idiot? I'm just revealing Obama for who he is, because the fact is, people don't know him and what he stands for. And as much as I dislike a lot of Bush's actions in office, Obama is a hundred time worse and more deceptive.

Conservapedia. Awesome.

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Originally posted by grabblegarrr:
Conservapedia. Awesome.

Haha, knew you'd love that one.

conservapedia. hahahahaha. you assholes crack me up.

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Originally posted by IndieFolkExperimentalLover:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Barack_Obama

My conservative friends (yes, I have some) would cringe at this website. Makes liberals think all conservatives are utter morons.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Liberal

Read this and tell me if this defines your political thought process.

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Originally posted by IndieFolkExperimentalLover:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Liberal

Read this and tell me if this defines your political thought process.

OK, I'll take the bait. I didn't tackle them all, as I'm not some blanket liberal. But I went down the list and numbered what I do believe in (or at least wanted to comment on).


1.) Taxpayer-funded and/or legalized abortion

As opposed to taxpayer funded religious charities? I don't see the difference, really. You find the former appalling, I find the latter appalling.

2.) Censorship of teacher-lead prayer in classrooms and school sponsored events

I'm sorry, but do you really have a problem with this? Didn't you agree earlier that religion and state should be separated? I could've sworn we had this whole "founding fathers" debate somewhere. Anyway, to clarify: yes, prayer should be left out of public schools. Seperation of church and state was a founding principle.

3.) Income redistribution, usually through progressive taxation

How is this liberal when every administration does it? Is George Bush a liberal? He redistributed my paycheck throughout his administration. I seem to remember being taxed since I started working, back in 1996. And yes, we should all be paying for the benefits of living in this great country. Tax me!

4.) Support of labor unions

I'll admit, this one is tricky. But given that I generally don't trust people of power (i.e., the corporate elites) to look out for my best interest, I feel that unions are sometimes necessary. If it wasn't for unions 95% of us would be thankful we're only working 80 hours a week.

5.) A "living Constitution" that is reinterpreted as liberals prefer, rather than how it was intended

This is pretty fucking vague, and I don't know what is being reinterpreted. Do you really need me to post what the founding fathers said regarding religion's place in this country? I imagine that's what the above statement is questioning.

6.) Government programs to rehabilitate criminals

As opposed to what, exactly?

7.) Abolition of the death penalty

Another tricky one. But I will say this: I'd rather let a guilty man go free than execute an innocent man. So yeah, I think a life sentence, without the possibility for parole, for the more severe criminal cases is sufficient. That way if there is ever future evidence (and this happens way too often) to exonerate someone, we didn't already wrongfully kill them. Seems fair enough.

8.) Opposition to domestic wire-tapping as authorized in the Patriot Act

LOL - do I really need to comment on this one? Fucking really???

9.) Calling anyone they agree with a "professor" regardless of whether he earned that distinction based on a real peer review of his work (see, e.g., Richard Dawkins and Barack Obama).

LOL, are all conservatives retarded? Richard Dawkins received his PhD in Zoology from Oxford University - hence his professorship status. I realize attaining this much knowledge would be scary to a conservative, but rest assured, there are brave souls out there obtaining it.

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Originally posted by musicfanatic:
7.) Abolition of the death penalty

Another tricky one. But I will say this: I'd rather let a guilty man go free than execute an innocent man. So yeah, I think a life sentence, without the possibility for parole, for the more severe criminal cases is sufficient. That way if there is ever future evidence (and this happens way too often) to exonerate someone, we didn't already wrongfully kill them. Seems fair enough.

A society that truly values human life would only have the most severe punishment for the taking of anothers life (i.e. the dealth penalty). Execute an innocent man? Give me a break. There have been so few and now, with all this DNA testing and new technology, chances of this are extremely slim. Life without parole sounds nice... until more important information is brought to light. 1. It's funded on taxpayer's money. Our money should go to something more important than paying for a guilty criminal's breakfast (which, being that he is there until he dies, is actually a lot of money). 2. There are criminals who are set free even after being sentenced to life without parole. For more information: http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/LWOP.htm

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Originally posted by IndieFolkExperimentalLover:
1. It's funded on taxpayer's money. Our money should go to something more important than paying for a guilty criminal's breakfast (which, being that he is there until he dies, is actually a lot of money).

I know it sounds weird, but when you take account added court costs of death penalty cases and appeals, it's actually is cheaper to sentance a prisoner to life in prison as opposed to giving him the death penalty. Several states have bipartisan legislation on the table to repeal the death penalty, simply for bugetary reasons.

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Originally posted by musicfanatic:
9.) Calling anyone they agree with a "professor" regardless of whether he earned that distinction based on a real peer review of his work (see, e.g., Richard Dawkins and Barack Obama).

LOL, are all conservatives retarded? Richard Dawkins received his PhD in Zoology from Oxford University - hence his professorship status. I realize attaining this much knowledge would be scary to a conservative, but rest assured, there are brave souls out there obtaining it.

Wow, that one is incredible. However one may feel about Dawkins's anti-religion crusade, his academic credentials and contributions to science are not at all in doubt. Indie might want to check this list out.

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Originally posted by EricG75:

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Originally posted by IndieFolkExperimentalLover:
1. It's funded on taxpayer's money. Our money should go to something more important than paying for a guilty criminal's breakfast (which, being that he is there until he dies, is actually a lot of money).

I know it sounds weird, but when you take account added court costs of death penalty cases and appeals, it's actually is cheaper to sentance a prisoner to life in prison as opposed to giving him the death penalty. Several states have bipartisan legislation on the table to repeal the death penalty, simply for bugetary reasons.

I'm the first to say the U.S. legal system needs to be changed... it's because of that long process that many say the death penalty isn't a deterrant to crime. Remember the good old days out west? When, if you were even suspected of a murder, you were hung out in the town square? I'd bet THAT was a deterrant for crime.

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Originally posted by IndieFolkExperimentalLover:

I'm the first to say the U.S. legal system needs to be changed... it's because of that long process that many say the death penalty isn't a deterrant to crime. Remember the good old days out west? When, if you were even suspected of a murder, you were hung out in the town square? I'd bet THAT was a deterrant for crime.

Come on. Are you really advocating a justice system without due process or an appeal process? For a minute, pretend you or a loved one were arrested for a serious crime.

Also, I don't believe the death penalty is much more of a deterrent than life in prison. I think both would be pretty awful.

Court? We should just get rid of it and let God deal with the offenders however he pleases. Oh wait...