I'd have that checked out, ASAP.

Lol, it all comes down to the fact that I've watched Communion one too many times.

Oh on my last post about the ufos I saw I forgot to name a famous one that I saw. I'm not sure if I'm getting the name right but I think my dad said it was called Westchester Boomerang. I saw it during a drive in my nanny's car. The ufo or ufos were in an sort of an V on its side formation. The ufo had many seven or so REALLY bright white lights on it. I was really surprised to see this ufo. I had a bad day at work that day. Maybe the aliens were trying to cheer me up. LOL. I don't get to see many ufos when I do though its very rewarding to me.

Martian Leader.

I’ve never experienced/seen anything paranormal, whatsoever!

I’d love to believe that there is a superior race visiting/watching over us. It is for this reason that, although I am a complete sceptic as to whether or not alien life forms are visiting our planet, I am still intrigued by the stories brought forward by those who have claimed to have sighted UFO’s/been abducted, and try to keep an open mind, without being naïve.

I realize this was touched on a fair bit, earlier in this thread, but, I believe that it is impossible that there is no other sentient life out there. We’re talking about hundreds of billions of stars in the Milky Way Galaxy alone, not to mention however many estimated billions of other galaxies in the Universe. For this reason, it just seems statistically impossible that intelligent life would only occur once in a 100 billion x 100 billion chance.

Based off what I’ve read about several different theories associated with space travel, it seems that even if there is in fact life forms vastly more technologically advanced than us somewhere in the Universe, that space travel would still be ridiculously impossible and unviable, unless it was in the form of an ark like voyage, and able to endlessly self sustain a population. It is the massive restrictions that space travel poses that makes the idea of aliens visiting Earth such an interesting theory to me (however unlikely it may be), that the technology to travel between solar systems or even galaxies, could be just out of our planets orbit.

So El J'Shed your NOT a believer of ufos? Is that right? PLEASE is there anyone who believes in the ufos that I seen and posted in pervious threads?

Martian leader

Actually, Martian Leader I’m open to the possibility, and would willingly listen to anyone’s stories with an open mind. The only reason I don’t 100% believe anything so far, is merely because I haven’t seen any irrefutable proof.

I’ve recently been watching a lot of alien abduction documentaries, as well as reading stuff on the net, and looking at UFO pictures. Although some of the stories are interesting, it’s hard to know if what people are claiming is either, true, false, or completely misunderstood. However, The Betty and Barney Hill story is one I found interesting, mainly because later after her abduction, Betty Hill (under hypnosis) drew a map of a star and several other planets of what she claimed was the home system of her Alien Abductees, or otherwise known as “The Grays”, who showed her this map during the abduction. This map was later matched to a star system roughly 40 light years from Earth called Zeta Reticuli, by a UFO researcher named Marjorie Fish. These maps have been heavily debated and debunked on the basis that the map was loosely matched, and regardless to that, you could randomly draw a map of stars, and there would almost be a sure chance that there's a match somewhere in the Universe. Either way, I still think it’s fascinating.

I was also having a look at this website that has a massive archive of UFO photographs. The thing that’s most annoying about UFO photographs is how easily they could be forged, and how easily it could be anything from a bird to a military aircraft. One thing I find odd is, why is it that every UFO in each picture is distinctly unique in shape and design compared to the last? If every one of these UFO photographs was a genuine picture of an alien space craft, this would mean that there is literally hundreds of uniquely manufactured alien space crafts, randomly dropping into Earth. I would be far more inclined to believe any of these pictures are genuine, if the bulk of them were various sighting of the same UFO from all around the world.

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PLEASE is there anyone who believes in the ufos that I seen and posted in pervious threads?

I used to. When I was between 10 and 12 years old, I saw a light going the same speed as our car when my mother was driving home one night. I didn't really think anything of it until it suddenly started zig-zagging wildly and took off into the sky! For years that was my "proof" aliens have been visiting the planet, but like Alchemy Little Jamshed El J'Shed said:

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Originally posted by El J'Shed:
Based off what I’ve read about several different theories associated with space travel, it seems that even if there is in fact life forms vastly more technologically advanced than us somewhere in the Universe, that space travel would still be ridiculously impossible and unviable, unless it was in the form of an ark like voyage, and able to endlessly self sustain a population.

These are my thoughts exactly! My whole problem with the idea of "visitors from another galaxy" is that it seems they travel for years (the closest solar system is 25 years away) and discover another planet with life on it... only to turn around? Or they "abduct" a few of us to experiment on then leave their subjects/victims behind without a trace that they had been handled by an alien lifeform? Wouldn't it be easier for them to let themslves be known to the world? Wouldn't WE do that if we found an alien world? Honestly. Why do we give aliens more credit than we give ourselves? If we can't leave well enough alone, why would they be able to? Why do we WANT TO BELIEVE aliens are so far above us in intelligence that they would see us as cattle? I'm sure if they thought of us in that way, they'd just swoop in and take our planet Independence Day style. Or why don't they just take thousands of subjects for study all at once without all this sneaking around? That's what WE'D do! It's in our history, people! If we want something (whether it be knowledge or power) we take it.

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One thing I find odd is, why is it that every UFO in each picture is distinctly unique in shape and design compared to the last? If every one of these UFO photographs was a genuine picture of an alien space craft, this would mean that there is literally hundreds of uniquely manufactured alien space crafts, randomly dropping into Earth.

Yet, most of the aliens seem to appear to be from the same planet (big, black, oval eyes and oversized heads with skinny bodies)! Either they design spaceships the way we design our cars or each alien has his/her/its own personally assigned spacecraft!

It's not that I don't believe there is life on other planets, I just don't think we'll ever make it to their planet or they've ever made it to ours. It's science fiction for me. I'm not saying you're wrong, either, M.L. I don't know what you saw. I don't even know what I saw when I was younger! It's just that I've been jaded by the things I've read on interstellar space travel. It may not be impossible, but it's darn close to it! You'd basically have to have the ENTIRE PLANET funding the trip! I don't see our planet (or any others) banding together to try to discover life with NO GUARANTEE we'll ever find anything at all. I doubt we'd get very many backers... not ones with fat wallets anyway. Now, maybe if we NEEDED another planet to live on...

This is actually where I differ from you MB If an alien race discovered us here on Earth, the worst possible thing they could probably do is intervene. I would imagine that they would see our civilization as undeveloped, both technologically, and ethically as a society. We can’t even live amongst our selves without resorting to war and poverty, thus blatantly showing them selves to us (as a far superior race) would likely insight a mass amount of fear, and we all not what fear leads to, don’t we MB Lol

But imagine if there was an alien race visiting us from a far away planet, and they suddenly just publicly introduced them selves to us. Beyond the frantic reaction it would cause, we would want to know the secrets to their technology, and based off our history, if they had any kind of morality or common sense about them (which would be fair to assume in a race intelligent enough to master space travel) I highly doubt they would consider it ethical to give us their technology, and I doubt our race would be comfortable with them having it over us. Humans crave ultimate power and therefore ultimate control, thus in the hypothetical situation of aliens visiting us, I would imagine there is just too many reason for them not to reveal their existence.

Either way, “what aliens would do” is all speculation, but there is a couple theories associated with abduction that I think would make more sense then others. Whitley Strieber and others believe that, based off their own personal encounters, “The Grays” want to slowly close the gap between them and us. Some assume that what appears to be random abduction is actually a strategy to desensitize us to their existence over an extended period of time, while others believe that they want to make a human/alien hybrid to symbolize a connection between both races.

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Originally posted by El J'Shed:
Either way, “what aliens would do” is all speculation...

That is correct, sir! But it's this particular speculation that bugs me. Why is it we ALWAYS seem to deify them? They are ALWAYS more advanced than we are. They are ALWAYS of a peace-loving and war-fearing/loathing nature. Their ENTIRE PLANET lives in harmony under one government. (Why do we ALWAYS think that? ) Their intelligence is ALWAYS supreme and undeniable. They (apparently) NEVER make mistakes. They seem to know human history soooo well (having only actually viewed it from afar, which seems very unlikely. I'm down here and I have trouble with it all!) and they've never taken part in it (besides abducting folks). I mean, I just don't get it. Is it because if we thought of them as one of us it would then make no sense for them NOT to land and extend a hand in friendship? I'm pretty sure it's what we would do if we came upon another planet teeming with life! (They did it all the time in 'Star Trek'! )

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Originally posted by Monkey_Boy:
Why is it we ALWAYS seem to deify them? They are ALWAYS more advanced than we are. They are ALWAYS of a peace-loving and war-fearing/loathing nature. Their ENTIRE PLANET lives in harmony under one government. (Why do we ALWAYS think that? ) Their intelligence is ALWAYS supreme and undeniable. They (apparently) NEVER make mistakes. They seem to know human history soooo well (having only actually viewed it from afar, which seems very unlikely. I'm down here and I have trouble with it all!)

Under this hypothetical discussion, I think some of the common speculations are fair to assume. If an alien species developed the technology to travel from any other place in our galaxy or beyond, to our solar system, it would be fair to assume that, based solely off that achievement, they would have to be FAR more technologically advanced than we are. It wouldn’t even matter how it was done, whether they got here in a million year voyage, or whether they travelled billions of light years relatively in a few hours, unless they were spiritual entities, they would have needed a process of surviving the trip, and that technology alone is far beyond us.

As for whether or not they would be of a peace loving or war-fearing/loathing nature, if there planet lives in harmony under one government, or whether or not they make mistakes, I agree, who knows. The only logic I could add (and I use the word “logic” loosely) is that, the reason why people may not ask the questions you’re asking, MB, is because the people who seem to believe anything for 100% are either or influenced by alleged abductees, so, they’re basing all their speculation off the claims they, or someone they know/have heard about, has experienced, and since the biggest form of alien pop-culture is the The Grays, due to their long history of being reported and described by alleged abductees for at least the past 50 years, said believers assume The Grays have been around for a while, thus why (from now on I’m going to refer to believers as “folk”) folk probably think they A. Must know a thing or 2 about us by now, considering all the information we broadcast, and all the activity on our planet, B. haven’t invaded/enslaved/annihilated man kind so far, so they at least, appear peaceful, and C. based off the 50 years of peacefulness, refraining to intervene in human kind’s affairs (apart from alleged violent abductions) and the assumption that they’re leaps and bounds beyond us technologically, my guess would be that because of all said reasoning, people then assume that they’re of a peace-loving and war-fearing/loathing nature.

I have to admit though, If an alien species did make contact, although possible, I would consider it awfully convenient that they only just discovered us, only just recently designed the technology to space travel, and only just travelled to our solar system for the very first time. I would be assuming the possibility that they would’ve been monitoring the progress of our planet for many years, simply because If I was an interstellar explorer, and I discovered a planet that was rich with life, I would consider it a matter of practicality, nay, standard procedure, to do a little investigation about the history and culture of the life forms and conditions of the planet, before just walking on in. So, is it unfounded to assume that a race, obviously far more technologically advanced then us, simply as a matter of precaution, would do the same thing?

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Originally posted by El J'Shed:
Under this hypothetical discussion, I think some of the common speculations are fair to assume. If an alien species developed the technology to travel from any other place in our galaxy or beyond, to our solar system, it would be fair to assume that, based solely off that achievement, they would have to be FAR more technologically advanced than we are. It wouldn’t even matter how it was done, whether they got here in a million year voyage, or whether they travelled billions of light years relatively in a few hours, unless they were spiritual entities, they would have needed a process of surviving the trip, and that technology alone is far beyond us.

Sure, sure. I wasn't saying the ones who have been spotted in UFOs wouldn't be technoligically advanced. I was just throwing the idea of aliens being JUST LIKE US out there, that's all.

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So, is it unfounded to assume that a race, obviously far more technologically advanced then us, simply as a matter of precaution, would do the same thing?

Okay. you've made some compelling arguements there, El J, but-- I mean, what-- Um, How's aboooout-- OH, FINE! YOU WIN!!!!!