Originally posted by chaos: [Basically they want to enslave us to taxes the same way that the British Imperialists tried to enslave its citizens in England.
I want you to read this sentence to yourself, realize how much of an idiot you are for writing it and then get on with the debate.
Originally posted by EricG75: Again, I ask who's benefiting from it?
On the outside chance it is a scam, most of the steps asked of us to help control it are beneficial to us anyway. Reducing waste, cutting down on energy consumption, and taking steps to make the air cleaner are beneficial even if you don't take climate change into account.
It's not like scientists are saying we need to perform human sacrifices to control the climate.
Well, if you would've watched the video you would know the answer to your own question. Our masters are using "Global Warming" to unleash a flurry of taxes on us. Everything from a gas tax, a clean air tax, a clean water tax, a recycling tax, an electricity tax, a food tax, a beef tax the list goes on and on. Basically they want to enslave us to taxes the same way that the British Imperialists tried to enslave its citizens in England.
The Royal Elite(our masters)that control Global Policy want us to be their slaves, because to them, we are nothing more than ignorant peons, dogs.
Wow. This is damn near the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
None of these taxes are of a high enough percentage of whatever their levied on to make a bit of difference to consumers. I mean, I'm a married college student working his way through school. These new taxes are in no way making my life miserable - in fact, I'm glad to see my money going places where it will make a difference. It's not like we're dealing with huge percentages of our paychecks here. New taxes certainly wouldn't break me.
It's not like the money is evaporating into thin air: look at it as if these are services you're paying for - protection, education, roads, etc. Would you normally pay for that stuff if it wasn't made available? Of course you would!
With all of the legitimate research, it's become obvious that we're going to need to clean up the environment. Taxes are a way of outsourcing this, if you will. Instead of spending your day cleaning up the air you personally pollute, you can pay a tiny amount of money and have the government do it for you while you make your own dough to spend on whatever you want. Not only is this infinitely more effective than trying to do it yourself, it creates new jobs, which are badly needed right now.
Now, our tax dollars are beginning to be used less for war purposes (by ending the Iraq disaster) and more for these tangible purposes that directly affect you and your children. I feel like I'm getting the most for my money this way and, now more than ever, I'm proud to pay my taxes. The government is doing the responsible thing for generations to come.
It always fascinates me to wonder what kind of life it would be think everything is a conspiracy, and to fight back against logic as if it's a weapon of the conspirators. The truth is a wonderful thing to seek, but there's responsibility (as well as honor and dignity) in accepting truths that don't fit into one's world paradigm.
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Alright, can everyone stop posting until chaos has addressed my post?
I took the time to watch that bullshit documentary and then provide examples of how full of shit and lacking in insight it is.. and he has yet to respond.
So, let's corner him. MAKE HIM RESPOND. Every time he posts some bullshit, don't respond until he has the balls to actually try and debate this.
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Originally posted by jack(gl)ass: Maybe it's because I live in Texas, but I hear people talking shit about Obama every day at my work. I don't think people will just swallow anything he says.. certainly doesn't seem to be the case.
And I doubt many people will deny that the majority of wealth is in a very small minority's hands. It'd be ridiculous to think otherwise. But, do you expect a president to not meet with these people? Just because he does meet with them does not make him a puppet.
I am not defending these capitalist head honchos, I wish they didn't have the power they do. But, this documentary doesn't provide anything incriminating as far as I've seen so far. I'm an hour in and it's just been a bunch of bullshit and assumptions. Half of the points made have already been shown to be false.
So, what's the point? It's what, 50 days into his presidency? They should wait until they have some meat behind their far-flung theories.
edit: also, does this guy forget how much wealth there is spread through Japan and China? India? All he's addressing is the west and primarily USA... you can't completely blow off such large financial players (I mean, the Chinese government practically owns us).
edit 2: And you're so brainwashed that you're blindly quoting random parts of the movie and spouting it off like fucking talking points. Stop spewing shit you troll.
At least address the bold chaos.
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Posts: 3772 | Location: titties | Registered: 01 December 2006
Originally posted by EricG75: Again, I don't really get how taxes are enslaving anyone. For the most part, tax revenue is spent on things that benefit the public in some fashion -- roads, schools, police, defense, etc. It's not as if King Obama is pocketing all this tax revenue, as was the case in 18th century England.
If we didn't collect taxes, where would the money for that stuff come from?
Obama is not the King, not even close. He is nothing more than a puppet groomed for a job. Our money goes to the elite few who control the wealth of this nation. You ask how taxes enslave people. Quite simple. With this onslaught of new taxes that our masters have planned, they will rob us of our income and cause us to become fully dependent on the government teat. That's where they want us. They want us poor, weak, unarmed and easy to control.
For the most part, I hate all taxes, especially income tax. I don't need anything from my government, nothing.
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quote: Originally posted by chaos: [Basically they want to enslave us to taxes the same way that the British Imperialists tried to enslave its citizens in England.
Yey I'm Welsh that means I get to enslave the English I think go me! Anyone know what time they'll be delivering their tithes only I really fancy a double sausage and egg mcmuffin and they stop serving them at 10:30?
Or maybe someone should pop off to wikipedia and learn that BRITISH and ENGLISH aren't actually the same thing numbnutz.
EDIT: Having just read through this thing and not having watched the video due to the whole mcmuffin thing still weighing pretty heavily in the what I should do before work debate can I just say one thing "BEEF TAX" really? I mean yeah there is a tax on beef quite a few at lots of different stages, well here anyway and you guys have VAT and stuff don't you so I guess there but really the new world order is taking over the world by raising the price of beef.... wow.
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Originally posted by chaos: I don't need anything from my government, nothing.
No? You're going to build and maintain your own roads and bridges? Control crime on your own? Fight in your wars yourself? If you're telling me that you don't depend on the government for a single aspect of your life, you haven't thought about it long enough.
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The Government collects enough as it is in taxpayer dollars. But there is so much wasteful and inefficient spending coupled with Obama's entitlement vision in America. Billions of dollars toward "reforming" health care is one example of a socialist change taking hold. It is not my responsibility to pay for anyone's health care but my own, except taxes going to FICA and medicare. He's creating so many dis-incentives for people, encouraging complacency with constant bailouts and safety nets. We're creating a dependent society on the government and America will not thrive under this"change we can believe in". Oh well, I'm sure only about 14 of the tens of thousands that attended the inauguration actually missed work that day.
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Originally posted by danielmartin: We're creating a dependent society on the government and America will not thrive under this"change we can believe in".
All the other countries with socialized medicine (Japan, Canada, Germany, UK, etc.) are failing? It's a fact that the U.S. spends way more on health care by making it a private, for profit industry than any of those countries that let the government run it. I'm against wasteful spending too, but let's get our facts straight. There's no possible way for us to waste more money on health care than we currently do.
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Posts: 5940 | Location: Michigan | Registered: 19 June 2005
Billions of dollars toward "reforming" health care is one example of a socialist change taking hold.
What the fuck does it even matter if we incorporate "socialist" policies into our system? Since when does borrowing a few ideas suddenly make our country communist?? Does this mean that I'm a fish because I like to swim? Give me a break!
For-profit health care: I can think of no more heinous thing than profiting off other people's misfortune.
Originally posted by IndieFolkExperimentalLover: I think most people in America don't want socialist policies in our government
Eh. We've had "socialism" to some extent since we implemented Social Security and a public school system.
It seems to me that most of the argument against socialized medicine is the belief that health care is a privilege that only well-off people should have. Others, like myself see it as something like education. Everyone should have access to it.
If you want to prove you're better off than poor people, buy a Lexus or something.
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Posts: 5940 | Location: Michigan | Registered: 19 June 2005
Billions of dollars toward "reforming" health care is one example of a socialist change taking hold.
What the fuck does it even matter if we incorporate "socialist" policies into our system? Since when does borrowing a few ideas suddenly make our country communist?? Does this mean that I'm a fish because I like to swim? Give me a break!
For-profit health care: I can think of no more heinous thing than profiting off other people's misfortune.
Especially when there is incentive NOT to cure somebody if it means they have to come back more and pay more.
Originally posted by IndieFolkExperimentalLover: I think most people in America don't want socialist policies in our government, so that's why it matters (then again, we did elect Obama ).
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