If HR 4437 is passed: no school or work on May 1st tell everyone you know not to attend school and tell your parents not to work the movie "A Day Without a Mexican" will become real All Latinos have to work together to make this happen to prove to everyone that the U.S. is NOTHING without us On May 1st don't even go into the streets! don't buy ANYTHING! Stay at home and kick it. watch the U.S. struggle without us. May 1st will be the day the gov't loses tons of money and realizes who really runs this country. spread the word! ** if you are going to be involved please do it with class. don't act stupid because not only will you make yourself look bad, but you will make ALL OF US look bad. Represent the Latino community with pride and honor. People will expect us to riot and go nuts but show them that we are BETTER than their stereotype. **May 1st will be the day without Latinos REPOST THIS IF YOU'RE DOWN FOR YOUR PEOPLE or IF YOU AGREE WITH WHAT WE FEEL AND BELIEVE remember that this Law is for ALL RACES not only Latinos Ester Abeja Chicago Public Schools 773-534-9498

I take no stand on the political message of this post, but I think it's the political equivalent of spam. The poster is essentially coming into our Forums and posting a message with no intent to be a member of our little community. He's here to sell a product and nothing more. If a person did this with a product, we'd delete it in a heartbeat.

sry for trying to help the mexican community im NOT selling a product i am simply trying to get rights for mexicans so that there not worked as slaves and so that they can be in the united states with out permits if u cant accept that then o well that is YOUR problem

You are trying to sell a product: support for your cause. I've made no assessment of your cause one way or another.

I find it very disengenous that you post this here. One of the rules of these Forums is:

"10. Do not post just to sell a product, promote a website, etc. Posts are for legitimate discussion of relevant topics only."

You don't care about a discussion. You simply want to say what you want to say. Your childish reply ("if you don't like it, that's YOUR problem") only proves that point. God forbind someone disagree with you.

If you are interested in giving people respect, maybe you should consider that posting this here is disrespectful for those of us who come here to have enlightened conversations with others. You simply come in shouting slogans and making yourself out as the morally superior figure.

no i am not trying to sell a product it is open for discussion i woulr prefer that people come and talk about what they think should happen. your the one trying to tell me that i am trying to sell a product if it were a product i would not post it on here because i would never get anywhere with it

Looks more like an advertisement to me...

I already typed a lengthy reply to this post and it got deleted as spam. This time I'll keep it short. Who will employ those who are fired when they participate in this silly, high school prank, walk-out? Migrant workers who make peanuts and live a hard and thankless life can't afford this. Neither can any hard working, honest, Mexican American employee. Will the soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan be invited to the party? Also, Bob, who exactly are you trying to reach through this site? If you are trying to reach mostly white, mostly educated (besides me of course), people who can afford at least a computer, then mission accomplished. If you're trying to circle the wagons in the Mexican American community, you should try elsewhere. Unfortunately, those most affected in regards to your "cause" probably have better things to do with their time than to post and read discussion forums: Things like work, earn a living, support a family, or defend this country. Getting defensive won't change the fact that you have reached absolutely no one here. I'm aware of the bill being passed and it's ramifications. My personal, political views aren't the topic here. The topic you started was not one for discussion: rather, you getting a message out and getting something off your chest. Nonsense.

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Originally posted by P-Bo:
Also, Bob, who exactly are you trying to reach through this site? If you are trying to reach mostly white, mostly educated (besides me of course), people who can afford at least a computer, then mission accomplished. If you're trying to circle the wagons in the Mexican American community, you should try elsewhere. Unfortunately, those most affected in regards to your "cause" probably have better things to do with their time than to post and read discussion forums: Things like work, earn a living, support a family, or defend this country. Getting defensive won't change the fact that you have reached absolutely no one here. I'm aware of the bill being passed and it's ramifications. My personal, political views aren't the topic here. The topic you started was not one for discussion: rather, you getting a message out and getting something off your chest. Nonsense.

So well said, P-Bo. Kudos. This was EXACTLY why I found this post so inappropriate. Those people who are merely trying to get a message out but have no intentions of actually participating in our little community are spammers, whether they admit it or not. If my friends and I were sitting around a bar, chatting about stuff, and someone came in, interjected their message, and then walked away, I'd be pissed. But, moreover, they'd be wasting breath. Whatever sympathies I might have for their cause get washed away by their methods. Kudos to those who stand up for what they believe in, whether I agree with it or not, but don't expect to garner support when you you're not engendering discussion, but merely shouting slogans.

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Originally posted by bob123:
All Latinos have to work together to make this happen to prove to everyone that the U.S. is NOTHING without us On May 1st

This boycott has about as much validity as a unified Mexican effort to make positive change in their own country. The only passion behind this boycott is the passion to keep getting the free ride that illegal Mexican immigrants get here in the U.S.

I have nothing personal against the 15-20 million illegal Mexican immigrants living in this country other than the fact that they have abandoned their own country and are now taxing the economy and social system of mine.

I have little respect for a group of people that are unwilling to invest their lives, hard work and hearts into their own country to cause positive change and would rather illegally come to America and use and abuse our system...illegally.

Of course, I'll be accused of being a racist for my remarks, but this problem has nothing to do with race. It has to do with laws and upholding them because without them you have a decline in everything from the educational system to the wellfare and medical care systems in this country.

I can't even begin to get into how the illegal population taxes our economy by driving down the wages, getting free health care and paying no taxes. While having babies at phenomenally high rates causing even more critical issues surrounding over-population.

Bottomline is, they're illegal, and their crime needs to be addressed and dealt with. I've got an idea...on the day of the boycott, how about all the illegals head back over the border and go to work in their own country. That would be a positive, unified and respectable effort.

That said, I agree with Pe, this is spam.

I certainly don't know all of the issues involved with this debate, but I agree with Bob whether it's spam or not. First I understand why people living in poverty would want a better life. Second I believe that these immigrants are a positive addition to our society. Third the issue of illegality is being vastly overplayed. Immigrants are being hired by American companies that don't seem to think their status is a big issue. Fourth these immigrants are needed in the U.S. workforce. I'm happy they are here and I think it would be a tragedy if this bill is passed. I'm glad Bob brought it up because I didn't know much about it before. Now I'll track it in the news to see what happens.

Thanks Bob.

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Third the issue of illegality is being vastly overplayed. Immigrants are being hired by American companies that don't seem to think their status is a big issue.

I guess next time I get pulled over with a gram of heroin in my trunk, I will simply tell the arresting officer that the legality of my possession isn't an issue because my dealer didn't have a problem with it.

First off, I never said the issue wasn't important. I said that bob123's approach to raising it in these Forums was inappropriate. Engendering a discussion is fine, but he merely popped up out of the blue, said his piece, and disappeared. Had he not been called out, we would have never heard from him again, like all the product shills who spam these Forums.

Secondly, I take umbrage with the title of the thread. HR 4437 is not about Mexicans. It's about illegal immigration and border protection, period. It would affect only illegal immigrants (of all nationalities) and that omission is glaring for a post that is supposed to be "informative."

I agree with Nathan25 that companies that hire illegal immigrants should be punished, but I find it putting the cart before the horse to blame businesses foremost. Unless the businesses actually bring illegal immigrants across the border, the first illegal action is crossing the border without permission. There might be two wrongs being done, but it seems illogical to me to put the blame only on one party and not both.

I bear no ill will towards immigrants of any type, but the United States has a process for admitting new citizens, and illegal immigrants bypass it. Breaking the law is breaking the law, plain and simple, and the fact that those who do so are a positive addition to our society is a moot point.

I offer an analogy: say you come home one day, and someone has broken into your house. Instead of robbing it, though, they've cleaned it, vacuumed, reorganized your CDs, and cooked you dinner. Then they tell you they deserve to stay for a night, or a week, or forever, because they helped out. Are they entitled to STAY in your house because they've improved your home (without your consent?)

You know Nathan, as far as legal immigrants and the benefit they add to the U.S.A. I totally agree with you. However, the illegal immigration issue must be dealt with.

I have no issue whatsoever with the legal immigrants that participate in the proper functioning of our society and it's systems. My relatives were immigrants just as everyone's were. It was immigrants that built this country.

However, the laws that were enacted throughout the centuries which have enabled this nation to thrive and prosper must be upheld and protected. You can bet your ass that the Mexican government and every other government upholds it's immigration laws, why shouldn't we?

My good friend has a house painting business that flourished in our community for 20 years. Since the flood of illegals, my friend has had nearly no work. Every time he bids a job, a group of illegals come in and drastically underbid him. They can afford to underbid him because they live 3 or 4 families per one mobile home, don't pay taxes, and receive free health care.

While my friend employs legal workers, pays insurance and taxes.

Yesterday, April 19, 2006 a large corporation was raided by Homeland security agents and over 1100 illegals were arrested along with 7 executives. This is the kind of law enforcement that has been nearly absent in the past decade. It's a little late coming, but it's never too late to start enforcing our nation's laws.

It's time to start holding the individuals and corporations that employ illegals accountable. Fine them, put them in jail.

Today, the Minutemen announced that they would begin building a wall along the southern border on May 25th with privately raised funds(15 million dollars) if Bush didn't immediately send the Reserves to protect the border from illegals.

The majority of citizens in this country know that action must be taken now.

Now, Nathan, you tell my friend and the millions of legal citizens that have lost their jobs to illegals that our economy needs these illegals here. The truth is, this country is facing a crisis of monumental proportions and has alread suffered immensely because of the illegal immigrant problem we face.

Our politicians are finally trying to take action after allowing the issue to become a critical problem in this country. Only an ignorant and uniformed person would claim that the illegal immigration problem doesn't need to be dealt with immediately,imho.

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I offer an analogy: say you come home one day, and someone has broken into your house. Instead of robbing it, though, they've cleaned it, vacuumed, reorganized your CDs, and cooked you dinner. Then they tell you they deserve to stay for a night, or a week, or forever, because they helped out. Are they entitled to STAY in your house because they've improved your home (without your consent?)

I fancy myself an analogy enthusiast. Very nice.

Immigration, legal or illegal, wouldn't be a problem if the US government quit giving away free stuff to its citizens.

I don't totally buy that, pax, and I don't think you do either. Does everybody immigrate to all these "Socialist" countries that give things away? Well, yeah, they do, but not compared to US. Most of them come here for freedoms and opportunities they're not afforded elsewhere, not to suck of Liberty's tit.

P.S. They also came here to be with their family, who lived here 500 years ago and don't believe in borders, but that's another (never-ending) magilla.

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Originally posted by mark f:
not to suck of Liberty's tit.

Not to be explicit, but I don't think liberty has a tit. I don't know what getting free medical care and free education has to do with liberty. I'm not saying that Mexicans come here for the free stuff (if so, you're right that illegal immigration would be the biggest problem in socialist countries). Mexicans come here for the jobs. This in itself is beneficial to our economy. What is harmful to our economy is the benefits that the government has to pay out to these illegal immigrants. 100 years ago the main reasons Americans would be opposed to immigration were racist (i.e. no Southern Europeans, no Chinese). However, 100 years ago when we did not have nearly the welfare state that we have today, additional immigrants (legal or illegal) could only benefit the economy, while today there are many immigrants that take more out than they are putting in. Only if we gave no benefits to our citizens could everyone really "get a shot at the American dream" (like liberals love to say). However, with all the benefits that Americans are entitled to today, we HAVE to regulate the number of people coming here. The irony of ironies is that the people who want everyone to come to America are the same ones who are in favor of these social programs. These people don't realize that the latter precludes the former.

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Originally posted by mark f:
I don't totally buy that, pax, and I don't think you do either. Does everybody immigrate to all these "Socialist" countries that give things away? Well, yeah, they do, but not compared to US. Most of them come here for freedoms and opportunities they're not afforded elsewhere, not to suck of Liberty's tit.

I disagree markf. Socialist countries don't suffer from critical problems with illegal immigration because they don't have a 2000 mile long open boarder with an enormous 3rd world population that can cross over with ease, as we do here in the states.

Most illegals do come here for the free ride. Everything is handed to them for free: health care, tax free living, employment, welfare and an ever-increasing excusablity for their illegal status. They come here for all the free stuff that they would have to fight for back home.

So, instead of fighting for their own freedoms in their own countries and making their own countries better places, illegals come leech off a nation upon which hundreds of years of hard work, dedication and defense by it's citizens earned the freedoms it offers.

Why can't these latin illegals build their own nations and governments into something they can be proud of instead of flocking by the millions over the border to our country? Where is their loyalty, where is their pride in nation and homeland?

They march through the streets of America waving their country's flags that they are so proud of. Yeah, it's a lot easier to wave a flag than to actually stay and work to make your country something you can be proud of.

So go ahead and wave your flags, but the truth of the matter is, you abandoned you countries. If you were so proud of the country that that flag represents, you'd be back there making it a better place, a place where you can live and raise your families.

Sure, it's a lot easier to hop the border illegally and come to the U.S. for the free ride, but it's certainly not honorable.

A couple of points:

1) Lady Liberty (The Statue) could be considered to have appropriate body parts (not getting explicit...)

2) I don't know if you understand this, but some of these illegals think this is their country, and has been since long before the Mexican-American War.

P.S. I'm not arguing about this at all. It's just that some people look at this in black-and-white terms, some in shades of gray, some in color, and some from stories passed down for centuries by their color-blind ancestors.