Hi,
I´m not sure if you´d be interested in this but I was disturbed when I saw this press release on the internet as regards the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon:

http://www.prlog.org/10322926-...t-...nformation.html

It is evidence that has been backed by ex USAF commanders, ex and present airplane crash investigator presidents from Europe and the US.
The list goes on and the evidence is undeniable.

It doesn´t have to turn into a slanging match of insults.
I am just looking for genuine open minded discussion of what this press release states.

Thanks.

Personally, I believe that 9/11 was an inside job perpetrated by members of both our government and the powerful corporations that control our government. I believe this because I think the facts overwhelmingly support this. It still amazes me how many people condemn our government along large corporations for their lies and deception yet refuse to accept that this same government and corporations could be lying about what happened on 9/11.

The only information that the general public has regarding 9/11 is that which our government has disseminated. Personally, that is not, nor will ever be good enough for me. Far too much evidence points to a massive cover-up with ulterior motives(Iraq, oil, strategic military positioning in the Middle East, massive corporate contracts, etc.).

To simply take the attitude that "my government said so and that's good enough for me" is to accept a position of dis-empowerment and apathy. Inform yourself.

If you still think that airplanes brought down the twin towers after watching this, then I would strongly suggest you remove your head from your anus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw

I think I'd rather listen to experts and Popular Mechanics who have thoroughly debunked the half-assed research of a bunch of twenty somethings claiming a conspiracy. Yes, its not near as interesting and sexy as believing our government attacked us, but honestly its the truth. The collapse of the World Trade Center is the most intensively studied engineering failure in world history. Independent experts from numerous engineering schools and firms have studied the collapse of the towers and none have concluded that it was a controlled demolition, regardless of what a handful of Youtube videos will lead you to believe. Obviously, there were secondary explosions. There were fires spreading throughout the towers as jet fuel was all over the place.

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Originally posted by hophead:
I think I'd rather listen to experts and Popular Mechanics who have thoroughly debunked the half-assed research of a bunch of twenty somethings claiming a conspiracy. Yes, its not near as interesting and sexy as believing our government attacked us, but honestly its the truth. The collapse of the World Trade Center is the most intensively studied engineering failure in world history. Independent experts from numerous engineering schools and firms have studied the collapse of the towers and none have concluded that it was a controlled demolition, regardless of what a handful of Youtube videos will lead you to believe. Obviously, there were secondary explosions. There were fires spreading throughout the towers as jet fuel was all over the place.

So I guess this physicist, engineer and architect couldn't possibly know what he's talking about: http://physics911.net/closerlook

Better yet, how about an entire list of physicists, engineers and architects both foreign and domestic who have supplied an overwhelming amount of research and evidence that shows clearly that the twin towers and wtc7 were, beyond a shadow of a doubt, brought down by explosives planted on site. Here ya go: http://physics911.net/resources

I honestly can't believe how and person can watch the 3 World Trade center buildings collapse so methodically and attribute it to a couple of airplanes. It boggles my mind how people can just blindly accept whatever their government tells them.

Have you ever watched a building fall by controlled demolition? I'm guessing you have. So let me ask you, did it look like the the Twin Towers fell by controlled demolition? Of course it did. You would have to be blind not see the striking comparisons to the way the Twin Towers fell and the way a controlled demolished building falls.

Burning jet fuel didn't bring the towers down, all you have to do is watch the video in my first post to realize that. Per standard fire code, there were no appliances of any kind in the Twin Towers that could act as explosives should they catch fire. The only combustible appliances and machinery containing flammable liquids and materials were in the basement levels of the Towers, and the jet fuel didn't reach that far, not even close actually.

In fact, research has shown that the jet fuel spread no more than 8-10 stories below the impact point, so there's no way that the greater structures of the buildings were compromised by the burning fuel. So you're little statement doesn't fit hophead.

So what were all these explosions that were recorded on video from several different vantage points? Before you go blindly believing everything that the media tells you, find out for yourself. If you want the truth, you can do two things. You can seek it for yourself or you can simply take your government's word for it.

Hophead, here is an excerpt from a website that has debunked your Popular Mechanics article that supposedly disproves the 9/11 Truth Movement:

From the Editor of Popular Mechanics-

"We assembled a team of reporters and researchers, including professional fact checkers and the editors of PM, and methodically analyzed all 16 conspiracy claims. We interviewed scores of engineers, aviation experts, military officials, eyewitnesses and members of the investigative teams who have held the wreckage of the attacks in their own hands. We pored over photography, maps, blueprints, aviation logs and transcripts. In every single instance, we found that the facts used by the conspiracy theorists to support their fantasies were mistaken, misunderstood, or deliberately falsified".

This sounds impressive, but the Popular Mechanics article provides no evidence to back up these claims. It provides no footnotes to source its many assertions, and despite the scores of experts listed in its final section the article cites only a handful of them, and mostly to refute its straw-man claims

Here's the link: http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/gopm/index.html

I can keep these links providing research and evidence supporting the 9/11 Truth Movement going all day long. The bottom line is, there is an overwhelming amount of research that shows that 9/11 wasn't perpetrated by Arab terrorists, all you have to do is pull your head out of the sand and look.

The problem with your argument is that there has never been any evidence of a controlled demolition found. Basically the evidence the truth movement relies on is that it "looks like what I've seen before when a building is demolished." Aside from that that you sometimes see them point to tiny poofs of smoke coming from the building below the impact site of the planes. And of course the secondary explosions heard by many people and referred to in the videos above. But none of that is evidence that the building was rigged beforehand. I'll gladly join the movement if any real evidence is ever uncovered. Surely with the dozens of workers that would have been involved to pull it off, somebody would come forward. Until then, its a fantasy. Purdue University's famous study virtually proved the weight of the building above the impact pancaked the towers. Building 7 is a more interesting case as it wasn't hit by anything yet still fell. But the Popular Mechanics study explained how structurally it could fail. Along with Purdue University and Popular Mechanics, National Geographic also did a ton a research that debunked the conspiracy theories. These are all extremely reputable 3rd parties who have all come to the same conclusion. The truth movement can cite no such reputable source. Again, its just a bunch of kids and wackos looking at video and believing a fairy-tale.

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Originally posted by hophead:
Again, its just a bunch of kids and wackos looking at video and believing a fairy-tale.

Wow, you really have swallowed the government's tall tales hook, line and sinker. The gov would love for people to believe that it's just a bunch of wackos that think it was an inside job, that's how they keep people from digging deeper for the truth. People are afraid to question the "official" report because they don't want to be labeled "wacko" or be seen as un-patriotic or disrespectful of the victims.

Obviously you didn't read any of the the links or you would have discovered that the overwhelming evidence of controlled demolition hasn't come from a small group of wackos rather from a large and ever-increasing group of experts from all over the world.

Ever heard of Thermite? Well it was found by several agencies in the wreckage of the towers. If you would've read the links I provided you would begin to see that I'm not the wacko the government wants you to think I am, I'm the one who makes sense.

But keep believing the "official" government story if it helps you sleep better, leave the truth to those who really need it.

Scientists and architects explaining, disputing and providing evidence of Thermite explosive material used in the demolition of the WTC. These aren't "wackos" as the government would have you believe, just people who don't instinctively swallow whatever the government tells them to swallow.

Here ya go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssuAMNas1us

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...YU3A&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...sBko&feature=related

This isn't wackjob theories, it's hard, scientific evidence.

Holy shit.

I agree with most of what you're saying, but the gov. def. had sum help from these guys

lol this is crazy. Chaos... really?

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Originally posted by onesliceshort:
Hi,
I´m not sure if you´d be interested in this but I was disturbed when I saw this press release on the internet as regards the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon:

http://www.prlog.org/10322926-...t-...nformation.html

It is evidence that has been backed by ex USAF commanders, ex and present airplane crash investigator presidents from Europe and the US.
The list goes on and the evidence is undeniable.

It doesn´t have to turn into a slanging match of insults.
I am just looking for genuine open minded discussion of what this press release states.

Thanks.

Well, I am not only open minded for 100%, but also certified to be born completely sane in mind and body, and living in completely conscious state of mind, what makes me able to think in full rational way, by using my own independent logic for performing coherent deductions about what seems implusible, absurd and grotesque.

But still not impossible physically to exist in this degenerated reality, where brain dead people are legally allowed to live free among normal people, without being cured.

And I allready have answered to this kind of question before in this thread:

http://forums.metacritic.com/e.../157108/m/3240007024



Cheers...