i don't see how this film could possibly be offensive. it's family friendly "okay to be gay" resolution might've been groundbreaking in the 1980s, but not so much in this day. maybe it might seem like a fresh concept to sandler's target demographic, who will now think twice before utilising "gay" as a synonym for "unpleasurable" when there's a classroom dispute. i can imagine that the film probably takes a few cheap shots at "straight people" in the way of stereotyping, but it can't be anything worse than the ridiculously flamboyant image that the media has created of homosexuals. something i've found regarding people taking offense to being portrayed negatively in the media: the closer they actually are to the stereotype, the more offended they'll be by it. if a person's really upset by the way that bigoted people are portrayed in the film, maybe it's because they're closer to being that bigot than they'd like to believe. i understand if you're upset about christians being portrayed negatively, but a) it happens all of the time in hollywood, b) there's a few christians out there who do a pretty decent job of portraying themselves negatively without the help of hollywood. i'm "christian", but i don't like to label myself as such because of the revolting way that many who do have tarnished that image.

EDIT: and please, for the love of pete, don't turn this site into fucking imdb. we're all above that riff raff here, let's please refrain from insults.

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If things get too rude, I will spank if necessary, and I actually believe your only recourse is...um...me. If you know what's up, you might be able to seek help from others, but I'm not sure that your efforts will be rewarded. So basically, yeah, I think enough has been said about what's in here already. Now, any new comments are ripe for retort, but try to be civil, unlike the way I am occasionally.

Wow. I think that this is the only word that properly describes the amount of garbage written in response to this movie. I can honestly say that due to the extremely uneducated views of some obviously immature wannabe critics, both in film and orientation, I may never use this sight for review purposes again. The fact that everyone who has written a bad review for this film says that they hate Sandler movies, yet they have seen them ALL, tells me that obviously they are not to smart. I don’t like to be electrocuted, so I don’t continually stick my finger in a socket. I on the other hand do like Sandlers flicks because a smile is needed once in a while and I know I can find one there. This is ultimately the purpose to a comedy and while you might not laugh at every joke or even notice that one was made, that’s OK because comedy is an opinion everybody’s is different.

PS. BlsWylde – “im not a homophobe, I just don't like homo's putting down straight people”
I don’t believe you can say “I’m not a homophobe” and then call someone a homo in the same sentence. Please refrain from writing any reviews, no sorry scratch that, refrain from writing anything until at least middle school.

“My buddies, we've always just tried to make each other laugh, ... I mean, just like all friends hanging out -- that's the goal.” Adam Sandler

who are you to tell me this??? a slacker with seven posts??? ok, so i dont feel like writeing out the word homosexual everytime i wanna point out someone that is gay, and golden flea, im not sure if I read your message right but i think youre calling me a homosexual??? if that's what you're trying to say then I will go ahead and say no, i am not a homosexual, and C'mon Now, im past middle school and this discussion, so, ok, I will make this comment that I would prefer not to be around a homosexual, because I have known some and to be honest, I just can't stand to be around them knowing that they're a homosexual, so sure, yes, im a homophobe

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Originally posted by Blswylde:
I will make this comment that I would prefer not to be around a homosexual, because I have known some and to be honest, I just can't stand to be around them knowing that they're a homosexual, so sure, yes, im a homophobe.

Nothing like a little intolerance to make the world a brighter place.

P.S. I don't think Golden Flea was calling you a homosexual (not that that should be an insult) but he/she was calling you a bigot. We can now rest assured, based on you last post, that this is indeed the case.

P.P.S. Periods. Look into them.

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Blswylde, its people like you who give Christians a bad name.

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Originally posted by ericg75:

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Originally posted by Blswylde:
I will make this comment that I would prefer not to be around a homosexual, because I have known some and to be honest, I just can't stand to be around them knowing that they're a homosexual, so sure, yes, im a homophobe.

P.S. I don't think Golden Flea was calling you a homosexual (not that that should be an insult) but he/she was calling you a bigot. We can now rest assured, based on you last post, that this is indeed the case.

not that i look down upon others for being a bigot. you should feel as free to be who you are as gay people are to be who they are. i just think people should understand and accept the image they project to everyone else.

as for adam sandler, i find him to be one of those comedians that illicits a groan with every punchline. but he's popular, so you're bound to see a few of his films. it's like being in the car with a driver who listens to nickleback. i'm probably not going to cover my ears and hum loudly until the song ends just because i don't enjoy it.

PS. i heartily enjoy blswylde's belief that the competence of the writer directly corresponds to the number of posts they've made. i'd better start posting frantically so that people will take me seriously. oh darn, i could've utilised this PS. as another post to bring me to a grand total of 26. damn my lack of foresight!

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not that i look down upon others for being a bigot. you should feel as free to be who you are

mr flea, lets not get so understanding and politically correct that we lose sight of whats wrong and right and just.

We should look down on bigots. A bigot is exactly the kind of person a society should be limiting as to the freedoms they have to spread hate.

The person who wrote the homophobic comments needs to be condemned for those comments in the clearest terms. I find him/her contemptible for that attitude.
There's nothing wrong with judging. Pre-judging is the problem, and as the poster gave us all enough clear evidence to judge his/her position, I judge his words to be mindless and sickening.

Blswylde, I'm not gonna call ya names or insult your intelligence. This is being done outta love. I understand the "Public Christian" stance on homosexuality, but the Bible says to love. This seems to be the problem with Christianity today, they are very quick to judge others. Judging is strictly reserved for God. "Judge not lest ye be judged."- Matthew 7:1

I'm not sure why you decided to go see a movie that was about gay marriage if you are so against it. I'm guessing you were expecting alotta jokes making fun of 'em, huh? Not in the world of Political Correctness! (Well, maybe in a Wayans Bros. movie.) You claim to be an Adam Sandler fan? Have you seen "Big Daddy"? There was a successful gay couple in THAT movie & they were shone in a good light. It shouldn't have been surprising at all that an Adam Sandler movie involving gay marriage would also show them good as well.

If you're looking for a place to express your Christian views & debate them with other Christians & non-Christians alike, go to Friendly Talk on Religion & to post movie reviews from a Christian perspective & NOT have folks jumpin' your case for your views, go to Christian Spotlight on Entertainment.

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Originally posted by Ishmaels coffin:
We should look down on bigots. A bigot is exactly the kind of person a society should be limiting as to the freedoms they have to spread hate.

Oh, & Ishmael, I agree with you 110%. I've grown up being hated by blacks & whites only because I'm mixed. No one should have a right to hate someone just because of something they can't control.

I appreciate the statement MB. It's nice to see someone who's a die hard Christian speak out against those who hate in the name of Christianity.

I too think it's a terrible thing for people to hate someone because of something they can't control. Being a straight, white guy, I've luckily never been the victim of that, but my parents raised me to respect people, regardless of who they are.

I would hope Blswylde sees the error of his ways and changes his tune eventually.

I would like to do something, and this isn;t for the agreement of the members of this forum, but I owuld like to apoligize for the negative homosexual statements, I realize that I should have left my personal opinions to myself and wrote a nonbiased review more centered towards the movie and not the views it represented, this entire discussion has honestly shone new light on the subject for me and I just want to say i'm sorry to the people I offended

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Originally posted by ericg75:
I too think it's a terrible thing for people to hate someone because of something they can't control.

I'd say that includes Blswylde's feelings toward gays. Not directed at you personally eric, I just think you had the right phrasing. Condemning the condemner makes no sense to me.

Also, this movie looks terrible.

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Originally posted by Nhazghaal:
I'd say that includes Blswylde's feelings toward gays.

I don't think so. Being a bigot is something you can control. Maybe it's not entirely your fault, maybe you were raised with those attitudes, but certainly you can educate yourself, realize your problem and break the cycle.

I'd normally say people are entitled to their opinions, but like Ishy, I feel pretty strongly that society would be better off without this type of thinking in it. Historically, nothing good has ever come out of bigotry and intolerance. No one ever says, "Remember slavery? Man,those were the good old days."

I also like Ishy's comment that it's not the judging, but the pre-judging that's the problem.

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Originally posted by Blswylde:
I would like to do something, and this isn;t for the agreement of the members of this forum, but I owuld like to apoligize for the negative homosexual statements, I realize that I should have left my personal opinions to myself and wrote a nonbiased review more centered towards the movie and not the views it represented, this entire discussion has honestly shone new light on the subject for me and I just want to say i'm sorry to the people I offended

Thank you for being a big enough person to apologize. But I don't think anyone on this forum wants you to feel like you have to leave your personal opinions to yourself or censor yourself. It's just that when you make statements like you have made in this discussion it is important to think about what you are posting and to have a logical reasoning behind the comments you make. Which of course there never is for something like homophobia, rascism, sexism, etc.
Let the healing begin.

Actually, I'd equate bigotry to sexual preference (in that no choice is made.) Bigotry might be more nurture than nature, but I don't think he made a choice to be uncomfortable around gay people any more than gay people choose to be attracted to their gender, and that no amount of education will change that - some things you have to feel rather than learn. Certainly society would be better without bigotry or hatred of any kind, I'm just not sure prohibiting it is the best way to go about it (or that it would even be effective.) Irony at a base level it may be, but not letting an intolerant voice be heard strikes me as pretty intolerant. If the world was free of ignorance it wouldn't have bred Bill Hicks, one of its greatest detractors, and thus its created something positive.

And to stay on topic, once again this movie looks really, really terrible.

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Originally posted by Nhazghaal:
Actually, I'd equate bigotry to sexual preference (in that no choice is made.) Bigotry might be more nurture than nature, but I don't think he made a choice to be uncomfortable around gay people any more than gay people choose to be attracted to their gender

Maybe a study I'm unfamiliar with can prove me wrong, but I don't think there's any nature involved in bigotry. People who are racist, sexist, or homophobic learn those attitudes from family, friends, and authority figures. I said before, I don't entirely blame Blswylde for his bigotry, as he's the product of the environment he grew up in.

I do think you can reverse the process though experience - being around homosexuals (or blacks, Arabs, wherever your prejudices lie) and realizing that they have far more similarities to you than the one difference you see.

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Originally posted by Blswylde:
I would like to do something, and this isn;t for the agreement of the members of this forum, but I owuld like to apoligize for the negative homosexual statements, I realize that I should have left my personal opinions to myself and wrote a nonbiased review more centered towards the movie and not the views it represented, this entire discussion has honestly shone new light on the subject for me and I just want to say i'm sorry to the people I offended

Did you see this----\/?

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P.P.S. Periods. Look into them.

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Originally posted by C'mon Now:
that obviously they are not to smart.

what

This thread has taken an interesting turn.

I dont think Blswylde should be censored as such.

To Blswylde personally, I strongly disagree with your ideas, but I defend your right to state them.

However, I find it sad that in these gay enlightened times that anyone would, especially on a forum as broad minded as metacritic, want to tell others negative things about gay people.
I can handle being offended, but I guess my instinctual reaction to the comments were shock that anyone really thinks this way. I know it intellectually that individuals hold such views, but man, when you see them written down, well, its a punch to the guts.

So Blyswylde, don't worry about apologizing, speaking for myself. I'd rather you came to the conclusion that sexual orientation is about as important as whether you are possessed of hairy ears or not.

After all, being Homo is as old as Homo Sapien.

thanks Ishmaels, I'm not gonna hold back my opinion on things, just the one's that might offend someone, but I just want to point out one thing, and this is what this thread is supposed to be about to begin with, but with all personalt things out ofg the way this movie really was horrible as a film, don't go see it