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All three critics had CRASH in their top 10 lists.


I also have placed Crash in my top 10 list. So what are all these critics and myself missing? As for Syriana, it didn't make my top 10 list as it didn't seem to really rise to the concise, much needed level of coherent storytelling that was achieved in Traffic (2000) and the less than believable performance of George Clooney.
 
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I've been kind of lazy this year, didn't see as much as I usually do. And, besides, a lot of the critically acclaimed american releases have yet to reach us here in Norway. So there are a lot of essential 2005-movies I have yet to see, and i suspect some of them would have cracked this list. Capote, Jarhead, Good Night And Good Luck, King Kong and some others. None of them will be close to my top 2, though.
I sense my fanboyism has had a genuine effect on the list:
1. Serenity (Fan of Joss Whedon, the guy is a genius)
2. The Descent (Fan of gory horror flicks, and this is the best one in ages.)
3. Star Wars Ep III (Fan of star wars, obviously)
4. Howl's Moving Castle (Fan of Miyazaki)
5. A History Of Violence (Fan of Cronenberg)
6. Batman Begins (Fan of BATMAN!)
7. Crash (Fan of movies with intertwining stories)
8. Sin City (Fan of Rodriguez)
9. Mysterious Skin (Hey, no fanboyism, just a really good movie)
10. Lord Of War (Fan of Andrew Niccol)
 
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Isopor top list includes Serenity, a sci-fi soap opera western that captures the genre very well. I'm glad to see it on your list though I don't it will get too much attention in the mainstream awards. I'll be curious to see how it fares with the Saturn Awards though.
 
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All three critics had CRASH in their top 10 lists.


I also have placed Crash in my top 10 list. So what are all these critics and myself missing?


Well, how about the fact that the film is completely implausible and contrived? Boy, Terrence Howard had a rough couple of weeks getting roughed up by Matt Dillon then getting caught up with a mugger?

And was Matt the only cop patroling L.A. First he molests Thandie Newton then later he saves her life.

That is just lazy screenwriting when you have plot contrivances like that.

There were some good things in the movie, though. Sandra Bullock was never better in a small role, though that is damning her with faint praise because she has been in so many awful films.
 
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Well, how about the fact that the film is completely implausible and contrived? Boy, Terrence Howard had a rough couple of weeks getting roughed up by Matt Dillon then getting caught up with a mugger?

And was Matt the only cop patroling L.A. First he molests Thandie Newton then later he saves her life.

That is just lazy screenwriting when you have plot contrivances like that.

There were some good things in the movie, though. Sandra Bullock was never better in a small role, though that is damning her with faint praise because she has been in so many awful films.


Yeah...I see where you're coming from and I have probably made the same complaints on other movies. Yet there are times when I am able to suspend such logical, rational thinking and believe and know that such coincidences do happen and that particularly in instance of discrimination there is the possibility of karma (what goes around comes around). I can respect your reaction to this movie on implausibility basis. However, from what I have been experiencing in my life this movie really seemed to capture something much more enigmatic and irrational as the underlying motivation of many of these characters are. Now both the Producers Guild of America and Writers Guild of America have nominated this movie by their respective Guilds.
 
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There were some good things in the movie, though. Sandra Bullock was never better in a small role, though that is damning her with faint praise because she has been in so many awful films.


I am very impressed with Sandra Bullock in this movie but I don't share your opinion about "so many awful films." I enjoyed her persona in the many romantic comedies that she has been in and her attempt for more serious but mainstream production in 28 Days (2000). Most of her movies are strictly entertainment and if I laugh or chuckle, if I smile because of her performance in them, I credit Ms. Bullock and believe that she did her job and did it well. Your criteria on which you judge her movies, her performances are possibly not consistent with the intent or purpose of the movie and on the same level as you might as more serious, dramatic roles.

The many movies that I was smiling and feeling good when Bullock performed included:

Love Potion #9 (1992)
Demolition Man (1993). This movie has the distinction of having the best sci fi language subtext of any film I've ever seen and rivals George Orwell's 1984 for language alteration except in comedic terms.
Speed (1994)
While You Were Sleeping (1995)
The Net (1995)
Practical Magic (1998) - containing suggestive dramatic elements and serious flairs from Ms. Bullock
Hope Floats (1998)
Forces of Nature (1999) with the perhaps more inane Ben Affleck
Miss Congeniality (2000)
Gun Shy (2000)
Two Weeks Notice (2002)
Divine Sisters of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood (2002)
Miss Congeniality 2 (2005). Believe or not I enjoyed this more subtle comedy that actually avoided the crassness of dumb movies.
 
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1. King Kong
2. Sin City
3. Cinderella Man
4. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
5. Star Wars ep.3 - Revenge of the Sith
 
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How could i forget this one. am including "Chronicles of Narnia" in there as well. So Star Wars ep.3 get kicked out, and Narnia comes first Big Grin
 
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How could i forget this one. am including "Chronicles of Narnia" in there as well. So Star Wars ep.3 get kicked out, and Narnia comes first


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10. You and Me and Everyone We Know
9. Grizzly Man
8. Match Point
7. Syriana
6. Brokeback Mountain
5. Capote
4. Good Night & Good Luck
3. The Squid & The Whale
2. Munich
1. A History of Violence

I'd love to put Match Point higher but so many good films have come out in the last 20 minutes that I can't find a better home for it.

Honorable Mention: Shopgirl, Wallace & Gromit, Broken Flowers, King Kong, Cinderella Man, Sin City
 
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So far...
1. Crash
2. Brokeback Mountain
3. A History Of Violence
4. Batman Begins
5. March of The Penguins

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So Far...
1. Crash
2. Murderball
3. Munich
4. The 40 Year Old Virgin
5. Walk the Line
6. Good Night and Good Luck
7. Batman Begins
8. Syriana
9. Broken Flowers
10. Sin City

Although I have yet to see: A History of Violence, Brokeback Mountain, The Squid and the Whale, Capote, and a few others.

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Well, how about the fact that the film is completely implausible and contrived? Boy, Terrence Howard had a rough couple of weeks getting roughed up by Matt Dillon then getting caught up with a mugger?

And was Matt the only cop patroling L.A. First he molests Thandie Newton then later he saves her life.

That is just lazy screenwriting when you have plot contrivances like that.


I don't see the use of coincidence as lazy screenwriting. The whole point of the film of the film was to show how each of the characters views on racism could be changed. Would it have been more effective for Matt Dillon's character to save some other black woman's life, or Thandie Newton to get saved by some other racist? You'd have to intruduce twice as many characters, and it wouldn't have near the dramatic impact as it did. I thought it was a very efficient use of the characters. Virtually no characters were wasted, and every scene had a significant impact on the story. I thought it was the best written film of the year.


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Having caught up with both theConstant Gardener and 2046 on DVD, I am sad to report that I found both movies unlike a number of other persons to be among the below average movies of the year. I admit that both dealt with emotional issues and were in some ways politically correct, but the way they were presented was seriously flawed and unfortunately took away much of the power that each of these movies could have evoked.
 
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For reference, tabuno, I rate 2046 a C+ (seen it three times) and The Constant Gardener a B- (seen it twice). They both have some stunning imagery, but they're cold and underdeveloped in what they're really about.


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For reference, tabuno, I rate 2046 a C+ (seen it three times) and The Constant Gardener a B- (seen it twice). They both have some stunning imagery, but they're cold and underdeveloped in what they're really about.


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